Return of Reckoning

Theres no point changing Corrosion which is useful if you spec axeman/guardian into something pretty much useless for all specs, i dont mind what it is, aslong as its worth having over crit gloves/helm, Guile would definiately make this happen

50% heal debuff requires a tactic slot secondly maras frontload burst is not as high wls is

ttk is low enough as it is, wl should not have an inc hd

TenTonHammer wrote:50% heal debuff requires a tactic slot secondly maras frontload burst is not as high wls is

ttk is low enough as it is, wl should not have an inc hd

So wls are not using tactic slots to improve their frontload burst?

WALSHE93 wrote:Theres no point changing Corrosion which is useful if you spec axeman/guardian into something pretty much useless for all specs, i dont mind what it is, aslong as its worth having over crit gloves/helm, Guile would definiately make this happen

The MDPS procs that seem pertinent:

1. Clarity - next ability is free AP
2. Vivacious - 10% chance for 50AP
3. Overwhelming - reduce opponent WS and buff your strength
4. Guile - 25% inc heal debuff
5. Corrosion - 900 armor debuff

For White Lions, the problem with corrosion is that at the current level almost everyone has to go hunter for pounce. If you do that, then you're getting one of the best armor debuffs as well in FO. At that point, corrosion is pointless.

If I were rating, clearly based on my bias, for WL procs I would take in this order:

4 - 3,2 - 1 - 5. Corrosion (5) being the absolute last proc I would want.

When it comes to a competitive 6v6 Mara is so much better then WL, once your pets dead, your useless for 15 seconds, having the lowest dps in game. i see a 10% Proc for 25% IC Healdbuff just providing that bit more utility to make the whole dev set worth using aswell as opening up more group combos and viability.

mursie wrote:

WALSHE93 wrote:Theres no point changing Corrosion which is useful if you spec axeman/guardian into something pretty much useless for all specs, i dont mind what it is, aslong as its worth having over crit gloves/helm, Guile would definiately make this happen

The MDPS procs that seem pertinent:

1. Clarity - next ability is free AP
2. Vivacious - 10% chance for 50AP
3. Overwhelming - reduce opponent WS and buff your strength
4. Guile - 25% inc heal debuff
5. Corrosion - 900 armor debuff

The problem with corrosion is that at the currently level almost everyone has to go hunter for pounce. If you do that, then you're getting one of the best armor debuffs as well in FO. At that point, corrosion is pointless.

If I were rating, clearly based on my bias, for WL procs I would take in this order:

4 - 3,2 - 1 - 5. Corrosion (5) being the absolute last proc I would want.

I totally agree

mursie wrote:

WALSHE93 wrote:Theres no point changing Corrosion which is useful if you spec axeman/guardian into something pretty much useless for all specs, i dont mind what it is, aslong as its worth having over crit gloves/helm, Guile would definiately make this happen

The MDPS procs that seem pertinent:

1. Clarity - next ability is free AP
2. Vivacious - 10% chance for 50AP
3. Overwhelming - reduce opponent WS and buff your strength
4. Guile - 25% inc heal debuff
5. Corrosion - 900 armor debuff

For White Lions, the problem with corrosion is that at the current level almost everyone has to go hunter for pounce. If you do that, then you're getting one of the best armor debuffs as well in FO. At that point, corrosion is pointless.

If I were rating, clearly based on my bias, for WL procs I would take in this order:

4 - 3,2 - 1 - 5. Corrosion (5) being the absolute last proc I would want.

Same goes for marauder. Brutality spec is just a meme.

bloodi wrote:
So wls are not using tactic slots to improve their frontload burst?

Inc hd that a mara needs to prep first to gain the full 10s duration so that they have enough time to switch over to brute and deal damage before switching back to sav to re apply inc hd. is not "frontload burst"

you know good and well what i mean and sav mara at this stage of the game does not really have any of its core tactics or those for burst as they only have BF,DC, and either flanking or deeply impaled where as wl has 3/4 core tactics

Even without inc hd wl can burst down a larget and if they inc HD they will have an easier time doing it and wl dosnt need to have an easier time bursting down targets

The fact that WL is not popular in 6 mans to anyone but enigma apperantly nor that it cant "cant compete" with mara in T4 (which i once again want to wait and see about just like i want to wait and see about how far the mara fixes go towards bringing mara in line before looking at nerf suggestions for the class) are fundamental flaws of the class that you shouldn't try to white wash over with or compensate for with gear/set bonuses

Vivacious only procs off direct heals, but that doesn't really change your ordering.

As has been pointed out to me, and as I mentioned earlier, the problem is that White Lions don't have another spec that's remotely equivalent in power to picking up Force Opportunity, even with the Corrosion debuff in there. That being said, I've always understood them to be a very AP-starved class. Clarity might help them more than it would other MDPS classes.

Lastly, when considering their "burst" in discussions of whether they might need an incoming heal-debuff, remember that the GCD is now 1.1 seconds. Consider what that means for your AP use/regen over time, and what that means for their DPS.

Sizer wrote:If thats the case how about giving my choppa a better one. 10% to proc your next ability not costing ap is beyond useless. If i need ap il just use a pot.

Also my sorc too, quickening is terrible. If youre playing a single target build like sorcs should be doing this is almost totally worthless.

Clarity would be exchanged for Overwhelming. Mending would be exchanged for Barrier - which doesn't absorb much, but it absorbs more than Mending heals, and also has no internal cooldown.

TenTonHammer wrote:,,,

So a mara needs to stance dance to apply wounds debuff and heal debuff before doing damage so that means Wls cant get a 25% inc hd on the 5set bonus.

I dont know if you want me to reply seriously to this or we are having a laugh to be honest.