Return of Reckoning

people do seem to prefer orvr, yes. most 6mans don't. tesq wants 6mans to not be able to have scenarios.

guess we'll pve then? =D

They did do pre only warzones and arenas in swtor. Even on the pvp servers they were dead within a couple of months. As soon as one premade starts losing to the others they quit and started to queue sync. Then more and more until only a handful of pres were left. It turned out the majority didnt really want to face other pres all the time.

Never played SWTOR, but in WAR at least in the current environment 6 mans have BiS gear and everything they could want character progression wise with the RR capped at 40.

Literally all there is to do on a maxed out character is look for decent fights. The last thing I want to do on my mains is fight pugs with a 6 man.

I believe it is going to end up being the pseudo endgame for hardcore players even in T4 once they have everything they need. Either that or they just reroll alts like mad.

I think Telen has hit the nail on the head here. Most premades aren't looking for another premade to fight most only want a sufficient challenge basically a fight that lasts more then 30 seconds.

I really think 6 mans are fun, but you have to realize if you destroy 5 games in a row, you just potentially made 50+ people stop Q'n SC's because they are having zero fun lol... Make 1 SC pug only, and 1 sc CW (premade only). I promise you quite a few people would q up in the solo q only SC.

I really don't care if the 6 man people get less pops, they only want to fight other pres right? but I bet you guys any amount of money you want, if you add a solo Q sc for t1/2/3 you would have many many more pops in NA craptime when all there is freenown and farming. Just my two cents. I'd be willing to be anything, money, gold, my car, you name it. If you did a solo Q SC, NA pop times would be a LOT better.

There has to be a pug only scen. Currently you're being forced into a premade to make any progress at all. I usually can't play much outside of EU prime time and it's like 1/10 scens won if you join solo.

Thing is, I've been a dedicated 6man player on live servers and it was effective but boring as hell — I don't want to play like that anymore. I'm sure there are other people pugging on purpose too.

freshour wrote:I really think 6 mans are fun, but you have to realize if you destroy 5 games in a row, you just potentially made 50+ people stop Q'n SC's because they are having zero fun lol... Make 1 SC pug only, and 1 sc CW (premade only). I promise you quite a few people would q up in the solo q only SC.

I really don't care if the 6 man people get less pops, they only want to fight other pres right? but I bet you guys any amount of money you want, if you add a solo Q sc for t1/2/3 you would have many many more pops in NA craptime when all there is freenown and farming. Just my two cents. I'd be willing to be anything, money, gold, my car, you name it. If you did a solo Q SC, NA pop times would be a LOT better.

If you're implying that more than a few premades out there only really want to farm disorganized opponents, you're probably right. But there's a problem with implementing any solution that disproportionately impacts them.

Let's assume the worst, that there exist premades like this (again, probably true). If something occurs to isolate them from the pugs they want to farm, how might they respond? Suppose they want to try their hand at playing nice and going with the new system. They will probably lose, repeatedly, due in no small part to the low skill ceiling for succeeding at consistently beating pugs. They'll also probably not have thick enough skin to weather such losses and get better at the game since they've been raised on a strict diet of curbstomp and pug tears, which don't do wonders for learning humility.

Then they either quit, or game the system. If they quit, good riddance. If they decide to game the system, we're back where we started. One way they could game this system is to simply queue as solo players for the pug-only scenario, and organize after they get into one. This is a simple plan, and one which basically renders the work involved in preparing this new system pointless. As such, it doesn't seem prudent to commit time to addressing this problem.

Still, I'd love to see this game made more pug-friendly. It seems fair to claim that the majority of players are pugs, so helping them would be in the game's long-term best interests. I just don't think this is the best way to go about doing it.

CaseyJones wrote:There has to be a pug only scen. Currently you're being forced into a premade to make any progress at all. I usually can't play much outside of EU prime time and it's like 1/10 scens won if you join solo.

Thing is, I've been a dedicated 6man player on live servers and it was effective but boring as hell — I don't want to play like that anymore. I'm sure there are other people pugging on purpose too.

Oh man, this is basically where I am. Granted, I pugged a lot on Live too, but my time in premades was spent spawncamping helpless pugs more often than not. This isn't uncommon, and it truly isn't entertaining in the slightest.

Jaycub wrote:Never played SWTOR, but in WAR at least in the current environment 6 mans have BiS gear and everything they could want character progression wise with the RR capped at 40.

Literally all there is to do on a maxed out character is look for decent fights. The last thing I want to do on my mains is fight pugs with a 6 man.

I believe it is going to end up being the pseudo endgame for hardcore players even in T4 once they have everything they need. Either that or they just reroll alts like mad.

This. People are freaking out cause they are getting kinda sorta wrekt. When i premade, we get some good fights. When I PuG I get a few good fights. The PvE nature of a lot of SCs means that the Win doesn't always mean what you think.

Also, I think a bunch of the cheesey tactics and builds wont be as prevalent upon T4 roll out. It becomes far easier to deal with them. But then ofc new ones pop up:P

A PuG only SC wouldn't stop people from being "Chuckle-****"(Thank you Aza). And you will still see a lot of 1 sided beat downs, because the SC is filled randomly.

The Random nature of the SC means that you can't ever judge it based upon a small sample size. A few days of super bad luck doesn't mean something is broken.

peterthepan3, I highly suggest you don't post in this thread anymore.

If there were that many pres out there bored of farming pugs wouldnt there be organised fights somewhere? Why not start a thread on a challenge tournament or something? I personally dislike being in a pre. To be super competitive you really have to play certain classes to a certain role. Even just casually you still end up spawn camping alot. Then you have to deal with all the elitism.