nat3s wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:56 pm
Flavorburst wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:15 am
nat3s wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:54 am
WL were the best 1v1 class in the game by miles. Their pets are tanky (unlike engi, magus and SH) and they could stomp pug SCs. They needed toning down.
Appreciate it sucks as you've become accustomed to facerolling people, but it needed to happen Manatikik.
As it happens they are still the best 1v1 roamer for orvr and incredibly powerful at nuking backline. Much more so than say Maras or mSH.
You know that magus basically craps on WL and just about anything else 1v1, right?
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Oh, wait... You do.
So, are WL free RR, or not?
Didn't look like it from the last time I ran into your magus, but then again, the last time I ran into your magus you ran around panicking spamming maw on me until I collected my RR (post nerf). It's funny how one encounter can drastically change your opinion like that.
To quote iron Mike: everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
Your problem with WL (that you are suddenly having) isn't because they are so good, it's from the numerous errors I noticed while fighting you (as someone with a 70+ magus).
Hah you're clearly salty at the nerf so I'll keep it light, nobody wants to see their class toned down!
Yes, agreed WL are free renown to a def magus, I doubt you beat me in a straight 1v1 as a WL, you may have jumped me with no pet and Aegis on CD. Either that or I took a 1vX against you + friends. Most WL just run from me.
They are nevertheless still the best solo roamers. Rock, paper, scissors a def magus will destroy WHs, WLs, Engis, 2h kotbs, but cannot pressure healers like a WL. A well played dps AM also craps on a magus, WL do well against dps shams. What's great about a WL is they can be awesome roamers whilst keeping full offensively geared and spec'd, not many classes can do that, if you look at roaming Chosen / Kotbs they have to toughness stack like a magus to outlast people.
The only WL i respect is Hops btw as he's the only one I know of that roams solo. I'm up on him comfortably at present.
Happy for a duel anytime, give me a shout in game.
Nice bunch of edits. Glad you got a chance to collect your thoughts. I'm also glad you are finally admitting that magus craps on everything 1v1.
I'm sorry to hear that you die to dps ams, but that's practically everything in the game outside of BGs (and if you spec and gear properly, you can still stalemate or kill them on a magus, but maybe you'll learn that in a few rr).
Here's a list of classes that can easily challenge a WL:
Dps dok: probably one of the hardest fights if the dok knows what it's doing.
Magus: requires prep to beat, otherwise it's an almost assured win for the magus (sorry you weren't able to accomplish that).
Practically every tank: most tanks that are even remotely defensive are a hard/good fight that requires kiting to ensure either a win or a stalemate. Outside of that, it's a gamble (for instance, fighting a good 2h BO can go either way. It mostly depends on KD timing, potential kiting of you wut, and interrupting THC which is dicey).
WE: if they know what they are doing, they are good fights. Technogirl, Hygucmka, and a couple of others that I can't think of off the top of my head are worth talking to.
Of note: good choppas like Lindorin can be a good fight.
So, yeah. That's like 80% of the classes that solo roam compared to your struggles with dps am.
Also, LOL at healer pressure. If you aren't axe/Hunter, you are basically relying on the healer being **** to kill them, which is the same as it works on magus. In fact, I would argue that it's somewhat easier to sneak a kill on a healer as a magus based on being ranged and not in the healers face (as you can potentially be out of detaunt range, and it's easier to pay attention to something in your face than someone lobbing spells at you from a distance).
Finally, nothing I have said has indicated that I am salty about the nerf. The only comments I have had about it were how I thought it was dumb because most of the WL tears revolve around cc and mobility, which probably should have been looked at in favor of a random CS nerf.
P.S. you got rekt by me in TM a few days ago with no adds and I made sure to give you time to setup. I probably have a ss of it that I will be glad to post when I get home.
