Return of Reckoning

drmordread wrote:A DPS WP in RvR is useless, but if you want an AM to really be true to its class then it has to DPS. Two of its biggest heals are dps and one is a dot that heals. An AM sitting back spamming heals only runs out of AP real fast and with out AP pots is plain useless.

Then you've never met a decent dps wp seen quite a few stomp face in rvr. AM is a better dps than a heal bc it can't kite&heal for **** while it can kite and dps for days.

Kaitanaroyr wrote:

drmordread wrote:A DPS WP in RvR is useless, but if you want an AM to really be true to its class then it has to DPS. Two of its biggest heals are dps and one is a dot that heals. An AM sitting back spamming heals only runs out of AP real fast and with out AP pots is plain useless.

Then you've never met a decent dps wp seen quite a few stomp face in rvr. AM is a better dps than a heal bc it can't kite&heal for **** while it can kite and dps for days.

I have seen some really excellent DPS WP's in all the years I have played WAR. Spent the last three to four weeks of the game teamed up with one (I forget his name sorry). We met in DW by chance, saved each other's ass and we just would grp up when ever we were both on.

The problem is; Aside from solo or in 2 man, the dps WP is useless for anything else. The best ability a wp/dok has to offer a grp is the tactic that gives you grp cleanse. If you are specced for DPS, that is not happening. Ever try to cleanse multiple targets w/out a grp cleanse? Yeah didnt think so

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On another note; Can you people stop crying about nerfing group heals? Please?
You are basically PUGing and you are complaining about grp heals. Where is the sense in that? NO NERFS to heals.

Learn To Play instead.
1- call out targets
2- assist by gang banging said target
3- kill target fast by out dps'ing the heals
4- rinse and repeat....

end of problem of no one dying

noisestorm wrote:

amputationsaw wrote:It true that aoe heals will be less effective when unit frames etc. are working but that is still so far away till then. so the meantime will be very tough and the game play will suffer from that constantly

What lets you know that so surely? I'd be curios

aahh you know more about this than me? anyway because unit frames were the most problematic issue of this project speaking of game play stuff, i think it still would take some time till it's full functional, even though the devs want to work on other stuff as well. but if they are shortly before fixing parties to its whole functionality then i take my words back.

Heal debuffs did make a huge difference in t3/t4. Healers were and will always be annoying as hell in t1/t2.

drmordread wrote: On another note; Can you people stop crying about nerfing group heals? Please?
You are basically PUGing and you are complaining about grp heals. Where is the sense in that? NO NERFS to heals.

Learn To Play instead.
1- call out targets
2- assist by gang banging said target
3- kill target fast by out dps'ing the heals
4- rinse and repeat....

end of problem of no one dying

Agreed.

The last thing any dev of any game can do is nerf heals. When you nerf heals, a **** storm follows. I've played many games where the entire population of healers would literally quit the game, granted they were subscription based games, but still... plz don't nerf them. If anything, give buffs to other classes. But lets not get antsy since the incoming heal debuff and /assist are not implemented yet. They do wonders.

I don't agree on the whole post telen, there is no way to actually spamm aoe heal with dok /wp unless have a purple chalice. And with the aza drop changes only few have it and most are order wps.
Also if there is something break the game atm are engi/magus undefitable stag.
They should be at least blockable.
Also aoe heal balance the outrageous aoe dps i see in t2 atm.

Tesq wrote:I don't agree on the whole post telen, there is no way to actually spamm aoe heal with dok /wp unless have a purple chalice. And with the aza drop changes only few have it and most are order wps.
Also if there is something break the game atm are engi/magus undefitable stag.
They should be at least blockable.
Also aoe heal balance the outrageous aoe dps i see in t2 atm.

Blockable and disrupt for magus if i remember correctly

I think the general rule is: when it does damage, it can be avoided.
The problem is, without any extra buffs to block you only have ~10% blockchance against most dps atm.

At least group heal works, while single target heal without an UI in SC is a pain. ^^
In a T2 with levelcaps like on live you would have had heal debuffs.

Sulorie wrote:At least group heal works, while single target heal without an UI in SC is a pain. ^^
In a T2 with levelcaps like on live you would have had heal debuffs.

its not the level cap its that azreal hasnt finished all the mastery abilites yet so if he raised cap to 21 some classes would have had mastery abilites but not others, which in retro spect is kinda funny cause some classes can get tactic slot abilites that are pretty good for t2 like maras slotting brut str increase with brute force to soft cap str or KOTBS slotting cordintion to get ez runefang procs