Return of Reckoning

billyk wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 5:05 am

Detangler wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 1:40 pm What I really want to know is why Order is suddenly massively dominating cities. what happened to the years of destro dominance winning cities 60-80% of the time? what game mechanics were buffed/nerfed so that one side is now winning city instances 8-1?

nb ban
pug vs premade reworked

Nerfed Buttons affects both sides.

What exactly was reworked in pug v premade cities? Did they finally stop letting 24 mans go against 24 pugs? Cause I know that was a huge reason why Destro won so many cities. sorry i was away for a few months and may have missed a patch note or two. Unlike the sentiment of some who post on this forum, I am genuinely curious as to how the pendulum has swung so far in so short a time.

what's NB?

rejndjer wrote: ↑Tue May 17, 2022 7:00 amwhat's NB?

The best add-on of the game, now only a few people can use it getting a great advantage over the rest of players

it used to be the case that des had the best prems and order the best pugs but this has totally flipped. now des is extremely pub/casual friendly whilst order is mostly prems. last night order had like 5 people defending kv and no open wbs past midnight eu, but we were winning most scs. idk why it flipped

City has low population for a number of reasons. The time it happens is a huge factor in how many participate. Rewards for city is a big factor as well. As seen in the lakes the majority of players are not making organized warbands but are just mostly pug players that join open warbands that don't usually have the most optimal comps. But for orvr if your side has the higher population you can usually get away with this type of playstyle.

If you are doing the open warband thing in orvr and don't have a solid group to play with in city there is a high probability you are going to end up in a losing city or no city at all. If your side is winning in orvr you will end up with more crests in orvr vs sitting in a losing city for over an hour and probably get way more renown too. Since we have zones that are always active there is no interrupt in having 0 orvr zones open so some players just decide to stay in the lakes instead of wasting time to que to possibly not get in or get in a losing city when they could of just stayed in the lakes.

Bottom line it is rewards.

The majority of players go the path of least resistance it has been this way for a long time. Unless someone is bringing a full bis toon to city they are looking to get some sort of reward/progression out of it for the class they are playing. The exact same thing happened when they changed Ranked rewards at the very start of when ranked came out. When you got 20+ medals for wins and like 10 for a loss we had a ton of people doing ranked (before currency change). The rewards were nerfed for the losing side and the population died for ranked over night. I am using ranked for an example because that catered to solo queing vs city that requires people to actually socialize and group up. It is no wonder no one wants to do city at this point if they can just continue to run in a zerg in orvr what is the point in doing city?

billyk wrote: ↑Mon May 16, 2022 4:59 am You have to keep in mind Destro are all griefers. Pushing city then not queuing is exactly their style. Reason? No reason, they just do it to get on your nerves.

That is tru I play destro just to grief order and when I play order I am angry (grrrrr) at destro griefers.
Can I get a melee engi build?

With nerfed rewards for cities low que is understendable

In time you sit i city you can easy lock 1-2 zones with better rewards ;p

The problem is that this angry organized order 6/12 mans that did not get to City go for ORvR, and wipe that destro that wanted to go this "path with less resistance". But for sure they should rethink lower rewards for City loss.