Return of Reckoning

bw10 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 8:38 pm pretty major changes, but why?

Rotgut wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:05 am

UnspeakableOath wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:07 am My 2 cents:

Snare balances are overall good for everyone, if it might take a little getting used to.

That said:

Shadow Warrior has lost any possible role in WB. With split arrows giving damage -20%, Broadhead and Spiral, I don't think that tactic is worth it.
Ambush losing radius and snare time also hurts for WB play.
Range knock going from 100ft to 65 ft with VoN having to be on also hurts for WB.
Flame arrow already took a nerf during the ability patch.
Pierce Defense also got much worse for helping your WB do damage.

So all in all, there is no reason for a SW to be in a warband over ANY OTHER Order DPS. SW didn't bring much before, and the bring even less now. The morale drain of Barrage is the only thing, and is really only effective when paired with Winds.

I'm glad to see Engi/Magus got love, but SW was already near (or at) the bottom of the heap for dps, and now has lost damage, survivability, and almost all utility. As a SW player that plays WB exclusively, there is no reason to play this character.

Each class has 3 lines. There should be no reason that one of those lines on the DPS should not be fully for WB play.

the morale drain from Barrage is huge

Rotgut wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:05 am
I would argue there is no reason to bring a Slayer over a SW in the current patch.

Rotgut wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:05 am
have an incredibly strong M2

Rotgut wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:05 am
morale drains.

Rotgut wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 5:05 am

UnspeakableOath wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:07 am My 2 cents:

Snare balances are overall good for everyone, if it might take a little getting used to.

That said:

Shadow Warrior has lost any possible role in WB. With split arrows giving damage -20%, Broadhead and Spiral, I don't think that tactic is worth it.
Ambush losing radius and snare time also hurts for WB play.
Range knock going from 100ft to 65 ft with VoN having to be on also hurts for WB.
Flame arrow already took a nerf during the ability patch.
Pierce Defense also got much worse for helping your WB do damage.

So all in all, there is no reason for a SW to be in a warband over ANY OTHER Order DPS. SW didn't bring much before, and the bring even less now. The morale drain of Barrage is the only thing, and is really only effective when paired with Winds.

I'm glad to see Engi/Magus got love, but SW was already near (or at) the bottom of the heap for dps, and now has lost damage, survivability, and almost all utility. As a SW player that plays WB exclusively, there is no reason to play this character.

Each class has 3 lines. There should be no reason that one of those lines on the DPS should not be fully for WB play.

I disagree. We've seen an increase in SWs recently (from the Guilds that have the roster to apply them) because of how good they are. In my opinion, the only reason Order WBs didn't have more than one SW per WB was due to the Choppa Ball pull. Their survivability were a lot worse than a Slayer's who is running around with 50% Parry. But now that Git To Da Choppa is nerfed, they are viable again.

The nerf to Split Arrow means they are in line with Slayers and Choppas, who also get a 20% dmg nerf with Accuracy/Extra Choppin' (basically the same tactic) - as a matter of fact its a little better during EU cuz it doesn't have a cap at 24 targets. And the morale drain from Barrage is huge, Destro's tanks having Morale Pump tactics is one of their main advantages over Order.

I would argue there is no reason to bring a Slayer over a SW in the current patch. ID is bugged (can't apply more then 2 so Winds + ID is gone) and can be cleansed, Bring it On (Choppa's channel) counts IDs as a direct hit so you can kill yourself if you ID a Freebootaz WB or any Choppa heavy WB, Rampage is overblown in oRvR outside of funnels cuz any class can bypass avoidance if you position yourself as you should - the only unique contribution a Slayer currently have is the CD debuff with Shatter Limbs. SWs are currently doing more dmg, have an incredibly strong M2 and morale drains.

agemennon675 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 7:09 am I guess order guilds missed all your points since literally no serious guild even recruit this class lol