Return of Reckoning

I agree with Atahualpa, the premade groups should be premade vs premade, and not premade vs ramdoms

sullemunk wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:07 pm Is a visual representation of the classes (how manny of each archtype and wich have incentive) something the players want/need??
(Like how it shows in the ranked dashboard)

Yes, It Is both needed and wanted.

Stinksuit wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 5:56 pm My question is, how will the system look at dps healers? Will a healer with divine fury be counted as a dps archetype or a healer?

It will take into account archetypes like this yes. It will also in some cases know if and when you change specs and / or gear

Highly appreciated set of changes that has been asked by the community for a long time! Peaking my interest in returning to RoR.

I hope we return back to when duo's counted as solo que'ing and not get listed as a "Premade" group.

sullemunk wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 6:07 pm Is a visual representation of the classes (how manny of each archtype and wich have incentive) something the players want/need??
(Like how it shows in the ranked dashboard)

+1

Emissary wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 7:19 pm

Stinksuit wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 5:56 pm My question is, how will the system look at dps healers? Will a healer with divine fury be counted as a dps archetype or a healer?

It will take into account archetypes like this yes. It will also in some cases know if and when you change specs and / or gear

So a healer who has divine fury will take a spot away from dps in that case?

Stinksuit wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Emissary wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 7:19 pm

Stinksuit wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 5:56 pm My question is, how will the system look at dps healers? Will a healer with divine fury be counted as a dps archetype or a healer?

It will take into account archetypes like this yes. It will also in some cases know if and when you change specs and / or gear

So a healer who has divine fury will take a spot away from dps in that case?

I will let Max comment on that, however, yes that should be the case

Emissary wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 8:08 pm

Stinksuit wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 7:46 pm

Emissary wrote: Wed Nov 19, 2025 7:19 pm

It will take into account archetypes like this yes. It will also in some cases know if and when you change specs and / or gear

So a healer who has divine fury will take a spot away from dps in that case?

I will let Max comment on that, however, yes that should be the case

Thank you for clarification,

Excited to test the changes once they hit live.

Although these are much-needed and very welcome changes, I do worry that they'll kill off /5 sc groups.

Despite what the '#nevergroup' crowd believes, most groups are not 80+ BiS discord premades, but rather randoms that form on /5 to get a 2-2-2 setup.

We know that a lot of the playerbase prioritizes low effort over reward, and how staunchly opposed to grouping many of the playerbase are, with many choosing to be farmed for hours over joining a group. So if every match is always a 2-2-2 with no effort required from the players, what incentive is there to form a /5 group?

Forming a /5 group not only requires more effort than solo queue, but it also prioritizes you against other groups, potentially increasing the effort required to get kills and win scs. It's already a Herculean task to get players to group; with their incentive gone, I fear getting players into a /5 group will be next to impossible. This is especially true for tanks and healers who could be losing extra rewards by not queuing solo.

If /5 groups die, I fear one of the few places that players can learn to play the game and build social connections will be gone. The game needs some kind of meaningful reward locked behind engaging in PvP content as a group, and it has to be something that is good enough to offset the prioritization of low effort and aversion to grouping. A PvP equivalent of PvE dungeons.

Before a #nevergroup accuses me of defending sc pug farming, I'm not. This change is much needed and will hopefully breathe new life into the game. It'll be great to see scs thrive. But few things have no consequences, and this could be one of them. Another could be that solo players start to feel the spotlight on their play when in a 2-2-2 setup, something they're not used to while being an anonymous pug. That self-consciousness and pressure to perform while others are watching may drive some players away from scs, and potentially the game.

I remember the 2-2-2 scenario balance matchmaking change was attempted in the past as well, but reverted after a too large increase in queue times.

I hope it will go better this time. It is not clear to me yet how exactly the UI informs players that other classes are needed in scenarios.

It might be useful to add this information to the website as well, at least for T2-3 and T4 scenario queue data. If it's not too difficult.

I mean, a whole new website would be great too (you guys probably have enough web devs playing to make a quick team for it).