Return of Reckoning

Tesq wrote:ppl are not keep account of the damages escalation these classes will have on cloth healers and rdp.

they should not even have 3 sec KD, thx 1.4.7 patch for that; give em melee snare would fix their only weakness in CC; these classes have access to:

inc heal debuff
out healdebuff
one + 100% avoidance x type if specced (1 for WE; 2 for WH)
ranged snare
tactic that make their meccanic gain faster
one self punt that can be used to reach the target
Stealth that allow the to run and not walk-->furthermore stealth is harder to detect than live

1 alternative skill/tactic used as gap closer (only we---> swit pursuit)

Only option 1 should be taken in account, aka fix what's it's not working as it should be, as you done for be able to turn while Knock downed.

Danielle wrote:Foreword/Disclaimer: I am not appealing to a mirror here, both classes are discussed because the skill in question works exactly the same for both of them and holds the same usefulness. and creates the same issues for compositions that would want to run either of these classes. I have also used the skill on both classes having played both albeit not with the same frequency.

One of the things currently being discussed are the marauder and white lion morale roots and how they are important to the meta game of melee vs. ranged compositions. The Witch Hunter and Witch Elf ranged slows could be another way that a melee composition could slow, or try to keep up with ranged kiters. The Witch Elf and Witch Hunter are light armour classes that rely on engaging with their invisibility, however once their first engagement is done they are rather immobile when it comes to chasing in comparison to other mdps who posses the ability to charge. The Throwing Dagger and Snap Shot skills were likely intended as ranged slows that would allow a melee composition with a Witch Hunter or a Witch Elf to quickly switch to a ranged target. Furthermore the Witch Elf and the Witch Hunter don't have a melee slow like all other melee classes. However, the issue is that with their current implementation Throwing Dagger and Snap Shot are basically worthless against a good player. This is because they have a telegraphed animation and cast time, and a strafing enemy that is hit by these skills won't have a slow applied on them. This way either by using a strafe hotkey, or strafing using a mouse, a player can kite strafing at a 1% angle and not get affected by the slow. This is because an enemy showing one shoulder to the back while strafing is considered as being hit in the side rather than the back. Clearly a change to these skills won't suddenly mean Witch Hunters and Witch Elves will be amazing, but at least they would have a functional unique slow that would make them more of a consideration in the future.

There are numerous possible solutions that come to my mind, I will list them by priority of what I think is best, others can discuss, come up with different options, agree and disagree and hopefully we can come to a satisfactory conclusion.

1) Change the WE/WH slows, so that the slow applies when an enemy is hit from the back OR from the sides.
2) Change the WE/WH slows, so that a 40% slow applies from behind and a 20% slow applies when the enemy is hit from a side.
3) Change the way the game interprets where strafing targets are facing, so that a low angle strafe will still result in a an attack/spell from the back being evaluated as an attack from the back.
4) Leave the slow as it is, but give WE/WH an additional melee slow skill.

Teefz wrote:If any of these suggested changes are being considered, one would hope that common sense will remove 1 & 2 instantly due to the fact that a stealther type character should in my mind not have a spamable snare, especially not on a 65ft ability. That is just pure madness and wishful thinking.

Teefz wrote:n regards to 3) Is this rather a point of WH/WE's not being smart enough to either stop chasing, LoS or call for backup? In my mind the strafekiting I guess you are referring to, is one of the additional tools rdps & healers need in this game - with one of the suggested changes in 1 or 2, melee trains would facerape even more than they already do. Why is it only 1/10 WH/WE are using the snare proc weapons? They are there for a reason. There is your snare.

Teefz wrote:More to that point I think people are forgetting that we are running around in annihilator. As the game grows in terms of gear, none of these above changes should be needed in my head anyway.

Teefz wrote:If Envenomed Blade and Fervor undergo experimental changes, I believe that it should not exceed the 15% Aza mentioned. Even if the first rank only snares 5% per hit, the target will still get caught eventually. Seems to me that the higher the snare, the faster the target will get caught/die.

Spacecraft wrote:I second swift pursuit. Give engage and disengage. And another reason to have our healers yell at us for los.

Torquemadra wrote:The potential for WH/WE to snare while chasing an opponent was clearly intended in design, to suggest that it was intended to be so effortless to side strafe and render it worthless from a design perspective is dubious to say the least.