Return of Reckoning

RIP all the old xrealm threads. How many discussions have we had stretching 10-20 pages long about a need for this? Now it's being talked about and most people posting here are getting cold feet about the notion. With such conflicting viewpoints it may certainly come down to what the Devs have in mind for the game. Don't think they ignore reasonable arguments if you personal opinion isn't taken, everything is considered.

I would be in favor of expanding character slots to 24 to appease the extreme altoholics, but to be quite honest what effect do they have in T4? This should crush any need for a second account. Most players that we expect to show leadership and realm pride would likely limit themselves to a handful of characters at higher RR's.

Even if it's an RvR lock and players are allowed to grind through PvE and Scenarios, there are factors that imbalance the realm. Crafting to support RvR players, gear acquirement and sales on the AH for each realm. Eventually when dungeons are introduced, gearing up that way would be a factor without a true realm lock as well.

You would have a larger segment of players that simply cannot reinforce the realm when needed, and would flip back once the realm they're not locked on starts to win. Winning > Losing, despite poor rewards. It's more of a psychological factor for the bulk of each realm that are not part of elite premades and closed warbands that take RvR seriously.

This change was always coming, we have responded to the old xrealm threads in much the same way. Once we get client control. Once we have an improved launcher. Once we're able to make these changes, we most certainly will. There should be no surprise here, only perhaps a somber acceptance that this direction was always intended and the days of freely swapping sides is coming to a close.

I really think that x-realming does more good than harm for this server. If you remember all the live servers that were there at launch, you can probably also remember that very quickly almost all of them because massively dominated by one side. What happened next is people quit the game all together or they rerolled to another server because you couldnt have both toons on both realms, which effectively killed all of those servers off.

During NA time on this server for example, you will a lot of times see up to two WB's on one side and then the other side have maybe a 6 man and that's about it. Usually that 6 man is an x-realming guild such as LoB, Old School, The Damned, etc. If it weren't for those guilds the defending realm would be non existent vs the zerg on the other side.

I Think the best solution as I can see it would be to increase the toons available per account to 24, and add a lockout timer of even 1-2 hrs which seems plenty sufficient to myself and most every player I have talked to during EU and NA time from the guilds that I play with. Then you could still punish ppl for having more than one account and make sure that people dont x-realm in the so-called "bad way".

About the realm pride issue: There have been other solutions to that presented and I think we can find something that will work quite well, although imo the contribution changes to RvR have already done most of the work on that front. I don't see many pugs swap sides. As many other's have said, I think rather ppl just get bored and log off or go PvE or go to another tier when they are getting rekt.

wargrimnir wrote:RIP all the old xrealm threads. How many discussions have we had stretching 10-20 pages long about a need for this? Now it's being talked about and most people posting here are getting cold feet about the notion. With such conflicting viewpoints it may certainly come down to what the Devs have in mind for the game. Don't think they ignore reasonable arguments if you personal opinion isn't taken, everything is considered.

I think most people are in favor of a lockout timer, just not a complete lockout.

I think most people are in favor of a lockout timer, just not a complete lockout.[/quote]

I completely agree. i'm totally in favor of a lockout timer and not a complete lockout. A complete lockout will do more harm than good to the server.

Many players have characters in both realm, and they don't X-realm. with a complete lockout many of these players will probably quit.

A complete realm lock would be a death knell for this game.

In addition to people being cut off from 50% of what the game has to offer, nonpartisan posters would cease to exist. You can't have an unbiased view of classes in this game if you only play one side. That is fact.

I can list off very real situations wherein due to the faction population or what your guildmates are doing, people simply decide no to play at all. I don't need to because they have already been posted.

@Wargrimnir This isn't getting cold feet. In the xrealm threads there were always much discussion being about how long should temporary lockouts be. Not barring people from being able to play on both sides full stop.

I agree with Jaycub's suggestion to have it tied to campaign. When campaign ends, you can chose what faction to play until the next reset.

We all have realize that we are in "alpha" a char wipe still can be done and everyone was warned in the beginning. So if the team wants to wipe all to implement a choose one side or the other they can do so. You ppl not paying to play and u are not in titled to anything. There will be many that will still play. Those that alrdy bitch and whine over a free to play game in the works i give you the middle finger and tell you to grow up and deal with it.

Olszewski wrote:We all have realize that we are in "alpha" a char wipe still can be done and everyone was warned in the beginning. So if the team wants to wipe all to implement a choose one side or the other they can do so. You ppl not paying to play and u are not in titled to anything. There will be many that will still play. Those that alrdy bitch and whine over a free to play game in the works i give you the middle finger and tell you to grow up and deal with it.

If you are unable to see the difference between a full char wipe and a dev decision that would impact the server for current and future players then I doubt you'd be able to find your middle finger in a hurry.

People can be fully prepared to have their chars wiped, spend countless hours testing any new content and giving feedback but that doesn't mean they'll be ok with a drastic dev decision. That's why we're here. To give feedback, not to blindly swallow everything we're given. I know that the line between whining and simple ramblings of a worried player can sometimes be blurry, but your comment is completely over the top.

That being said - there's been no official statement regarding the xrealming fix! Let's all unbunch our panties and respond to the changes when they are announced.

Decided to rewrite this. Although it might seem harsh to many including myself it really is the devs who decide and I support whatever they do. Plus their might not be another way around the problem. So in the end all we can do is enjoy the game and be glad we get to play WAR at all.

blaqwar wrote:

Olszewski wrote:We all have realize that we are in "alpha" a char wipe still can be done and everyone was warned in the beginning. So if the team wants to wipe all to implement a choose one side or the other they can do so. You ppl not paying to play and u are not in titled to anything. There will be many that will still play. Those that alrdy bitch and whine over a free to play game in the works i give you the middle finger and tell you to grow up and deal with it.

If you are unable to see the difference between a full char wipe and a dev decision that would impact the server for current and future players then I doubt you'd be able to find your middle finger in a hurry.

People can be fully prepared to have their chars wiped, spend countless hours testing any new content and giving feedback but that doesn't mean they'll be ok with a drastic dev decision. That's why we're here. To give feedback, not to blindly swallow everything we're given. I know that the line between whining and simple ramblings of a worried player can sometimes be blurry, but your comment is completely over the top.

That being said - there's been no official statement regarding the xrealming fix! Let's all unbunch our panties and respond to the changes when they are announced.

Facts are facts bud deal with it. Obviously u got butt hurt about wut i said. Lol

blaqwar wrote:
That being said - there's been no official statement regarding the xrealming fix! Let's all unbunch our panties and respond to the changes when they are announced.

I think some of our panties are in a bunch precisely because there hasn't been an official statement yet, and are just now caring that it seems like a very high possibility that it's going to happen.

I'd like to know if I should bother working on my characters on both sides or not, and start figuring out which side exactly we are gonna play.