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Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:56 pm
by Unstoppable1776
Skavok wrote:Relentless out performs Ravage every day of the week. If you are 2hand dps Chosen and not using Relentless you are wrong.

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What addon is that

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:08 pm
by Panzerkasper
Skavok wrote:Relentless out performs Ravage every day of the week. If you are 2hand dps Chosen and not using Relentless you are wrong.
Spoiler:
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Don't be fooled by your own statistics.

If you don't have another chart of your damage without Relentless this says basically nothing. In fact its more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The number of percentage a skill does in your damage rotation is meaningless, the only thing that matters is how much DPS you are really able to pull off.

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:12 pm
by Fallenkezef
Skavok wrote:Relentless out performs Ravage every day of the week. If you are 2hand dps Chosen and not using Relentless you are wrong.

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*takes notes*

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:22 pm
by bloodi
How does that log show anything?

The only thing relelvant there is that he seems to use Relentless more than anything else. Ravage is hitting harder and doesnt make you unable to auto attack.

If anything that log shows that you should not use relentless over Ravage.

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:36 pm
by Skavok
Panzerkasper wrote:
Skavok wrote:Relentless out performs Ravage every day of the week. If you are 2hand dps Chosen and not using Relentless you are wrong.
Spoiler:
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Don't be fooled by your own statistics.

If you don't have another chart of your damage without Relentless this says basically nothing. In fact its more of a self-fulfilling prophecy. The number of percentage a skill does in your damage rotation is meaningless, the only thing that matters is how much DPS you are really able to pull off.
I linked the image to show the damage potential of relentless. I say this with hours on end of playing 2hd Chosen exclusively. Even if you only get off 2 or 3 ticks of relentless it is more damage than a single ravage or any other skill can output in the same time frame. Add in seeping wounds and ToP before the Relentless and ending it with AA and a Ravage or Rending Blade and you just put a world of hurt an someone.

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:39 pm
by Skavok
bloodi wrote:How does that log show anything?

The only thing relelvant there is that he seems to use Relentless more than anything else. Ravage is hitting harder and doesnt make you unable to auto attack.

If anything that log shows that you should not use relentless over Ravage.
oh boi this guy doesnt realize Relentless hits 3 times for every 1 Ravage

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:43 pm
by bloodi
Skavok wrote:oh boi this guy doesnt realize Relentless hits 3 times for every 1 Ravage
And doesnt let you autoattack, a single autoattack + ravage hits as hard as 3 Relentless hits, this is all according to your log.

However, neither AAs nor ravage are a speccable 9 points skill that requires you go up a tree.

So this boi needs something else besides that to agree with your statment about Relentless being the go to.

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:48 pm
by Skavok
Unstoppable1776 wrote:
Skavok wrote:Relentless out performs Ravage every day of the week. If you are 2hand dps Chosen and not using Relentless you are wrong.

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What addon is that
its part of enemy addon

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:51 pm
by Bozzax
@bloodi

AA is qed during a channel so no there is no AA loss

AA , relentless and a 2nd quued AA that fires directly after.

So only 1h potentially loose dps from channel or whacky epic 2h with 2.7s swing (should not use it anayway)

Secondly relentless proc about x2 as much

Re: [Chosen] Spec discussion

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:53 pm
by Skavok
bloodi wrote:
Skavok wrote:oh boi this guy doesnt realize Relentless hits 3 times for every 1 Ravage
And doesnt let you autoattack, a single autoattack + ravage hits as hard as 3 Relentless hits, this is all according to your log.

However, neither AAs nor ravage are a speccable 9 points skill that requires you go up a tree.

So this boi needs something else besides that to agree with your statment about Relentless being the go to.
Chosen AA is 3.4 seconds with 2hd.Relentless fits in between that with AA before and after