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They are tanky. Whether that survivability comes from HP, absorb shields, lifetaps, etc. is not relevant at all. All those things increase effective health pool and should be regarded accordingly. To further compound the problem AM/Shaman also has AP drain and AM has some of the strongest utility options in game, for example a 5 second silence.
For a dps sham/AM to have those numbers, they must use build that they can't heal at all, and their dps isn't on par like rest of dps class because rest of dps classes get better burst. and am/sham don't have the aoe.Caduceus wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:22 pmThey are tanky. Whether that survivability comes from HP, absorb shields, lifetaps, etc. is not relevant at all. All those things increase effective health pool and should be regarded accordingly. To further compound the problem AM/Shaman also has AP drain and AM has some of the strongest utility options in game, for example a 5 second silence.
The "counters" you listed mean nothing without context, but also fundamentally miss the point. There's no reason AM/Shaman should have DPS that rivals dedicated DPS classes, while having none of the drawbacks said DPS classes have, while at the same time having huge advantages over said classes in the form of very strong self-healing and utility.
I expected more substance from a user with 5k+ posts. You sound like the umteenth AM/Shaman who is trying to find excuses for why it's acceptable they're hopelessly imbalanced in small-scale.
It feels like people are attributing everything a shaman/am can do to every spec. They see super def healing shaman "tanking" 3-4 subpar dps and think shamans of every spec can do that. They see a glass cannon shaman put out high burts and then think that same shaman could tank those 3-4 enemies.ByzantineTime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:39 pmFor a dps sham/AM to have those numbers, they must use build that they can't heal at all, and their dps isn't on par like rest of dps class because rest of dps classes get better burst. and am/sham don't have the aoe.Caduceus wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:22 pmThey are tanky. Whether that survivability comes from HP, absorb shields, lifetaps, etc. is not relevant at all. All those things increase effective health pool and should be regarded accordingly. To further compound the problem AM/Shaman also has AP drain and AM has some of the strongest utility options in game, for example a 5 second silence.
The "counters" you listed mean nothing without context, but also fundamentally miss the point. There's no reason AM/Shaman should have DPS that rivals dedicated DPS classes, while having none of the drawbacks said DPS classes have, while at the same time having huge advantages over said classes in the form of very strong self-healing and utility.
I expected more substance from a user with 5k+ posts. You sound like the umteenth AM/Shaman who is trying to find excuses for why it's acceptable they're hopelessly imbalanced in small-scale.
Only people that run the full dps sham/am builds, are useless 1v1, they just snipe kills from a far in zergs that's all.
But I don't know if you watch shield doks, those guys are completely broken, they get damage as a dps class ( in numbers ) , and heal 2-3 times more than everyone else. ( not sure if their mirror shield wp as broken as them )
So what's the fact, AM is an hybrid class ?This and blanket nerf on hybrid healing forces AM/SMH to be something they were never intended to be: pure heal/pure dps.
Inititally these classes where desigend as some sort of hybrid. Most gear had both int and wp for instance. As it did not work, the hybrid concept got scrapped and gear became more fcused on a specific role.Kahelm wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:53 pm Hey, new player here, AM heal rr63 full vanq.
So i cannot speak about abilities nerf/up but put simply the fact than NSKaneda said before me :
So what's the fact, AM is an hybrid class ?This and blanket nerf on hybrid healing forces AM/SMH to be something they were never intended to be: pure heal/pure dps.
Ok, i love play hybrid, pretty much fun but the gear is ONLY heal or dps and mix them isn't a good balance at all.
High Magic is scale for an hybrid class, so, if they are a problem i think it is with High Magic before all.
ByzantineTime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:39 pm
But I don't know if you watch shield doks, those guys are completely broken, they get damage as a dps class ( in numbers ) , and heal 2-3 times more than everyone else. ( not sure if their mirror shield wp as broken as them )
Yes, it is ok of course, i think like u said this descision was the result of numbers of experiences.Inititally these classes where desigend as some sort of hybrid. Most gear had both int and wp for instance. As it did not work, the hybrid concept got scrapped and gear became more fcused on a specific role.