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Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:12 pm
by Zizzelfizz
Why are you so upset? the game is almost dead, at peak times 200-300 people are online. T1 you are bored to death because there are hardly any opponents, in the other tiers Destro is almost constantly outnumbered.
Xrealming until the doctor comes. I remember times when the server was full with 3.5k players every night. I'm afraid it won't get any better.
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:31 pm
by Garamore
That was mainly due to the EU staying up late to push campaign and some promotional videos. Summer peak eu has been around 7-800 so not dead by a long way.
Totally get that outside of eu prime time it’s order dominated - as other people have said - needs a committed NA destro wb leader and some people to support them.
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:42 pm
by Joshwa70
Here is how I see every night go. Order has aao.. Jempire logs in and forms WB. Wipes 2 destro wbs. Destro completely disappears except for Burnheart. How do you fix that?
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:01 pm
by Acidic
Garamore wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 12:31 pm
That was mainly due to the EU staying up late to push campaign and some promotional videos. Summer peak eu has been around 7-800 so not dead by a long way.
Totally get that outside of eu prime time it’s order dominated - as other people have said - needs a committed NA destro wb leader and some people to support them.
Needs more than a WB leader to fix the state.
Even EU times it starting to have significant order outnumbering, and that is a fast slippery slope to NA state.
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:10 pm
by Garamore
Starts with a warband leader - without that there’s no hope. EU day is tending to order too as there’s no destro wb leader in that time - some of that is down to eu prime being destro dominated and order avoiding it but mainly it’s down to a warband leader not playing as much on destro now they are rr100 as they used to and server not adjusting (no blame at all)
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:37 pm
by Bozzax
When you don’t mechanically spread the strongest side to control a zone in order to cap it you get an inferior system like the one we have. Zerging will be the optimal strategy since it guarantees success
Domination system where smaller forces are given the advantage of mobility and hit and run is just superior in every way. Unfortunately this mechanic is heavily associated with the BW aoe meta and its downsides
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:40 pm
by Emissary
NA times = Destro forms Ranged Kite Groups to be the OP Shaman/Sorc time stamp game ... Order sees this forms a wb to fight the sorcs/shammies that are destroying them. Kite groups cant take a keep or fort nor defend keep or fort. If destro wants to win just play the right classes for the right times. All destro kiting and playing 6 mans will end up destro not being able to defend in NA times. Want to put up a good fight form a WB and stop being all about the KDR that most of the sorcs/shammies/squigs are on NA destro.
I play whatever class is needed for the situation and a lot of those I play with on ORDER NA do the same. 6 man kite groups work if their is no organization on the other side.
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:13 pm
by Evilspinnre
Bozzax wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 2:37 pm
When you don’t mechanically spread the strongest side to control a zone in order to cap it you get an inferior system like the one we have. Zerging will be the optimal strategy since it guarantees success
Domination system where smaller forces are given the advantage of mobility and hit and run is just superior in every way. Unfortunately this mechanic is heavily associated with the BW aoe meta and its downsides
Exactly this. There is an alliance that runs around with 2-3 warbands on the same side 2-3 nights a week atm and just PvD maps with 100% aao.
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:20 pm
by Garamore
Who is that?
Re: Enough with Order outnumbering Destro
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:04 pm
by Pandastyle
Emissary wrote: Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:40 pm
NA times = Destro forms Ranged Kite Groups to be the OP Shaman/Sorc time stamp game ... Order sees this forms a wb to fight the sorcs/shammies that are destroying them. Kite groups cant take a keep or fort nor defend keep or fort. If destro wants to win just play the right classes for the right times. All destro kiting and playing 6 mans will end up destro not being able to defend in NA times. Want to put up a good fight form a WB and stop being all about the KDR that most of the sorcs/shammies/squigs are on NA destro.
I play whatever class is needed for the situation and a lot of those I play with on ORDER NA do the same. 6 man kite groups work if their is no organization on the other side.
it's really funny how we come a full circle with that. I remember couple years (?) ago, when destro was really dominating, we told order to just roll the right classes as the realm was heavily tilted towards rdps and to "just organise" as there was very little organisation (especially in city instances)