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Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:39 pm
by Sulorie
Coryphaus wrote:
What melees have kd here? None on destro bar we
and i dont know about your tank but mine dosnt last long vs multiple rain of fires and other aoe on the roof
Magus, WE and tanks can KD with the current levelcap. Melees can burst down WLs out of guard and/or healrange. You have detaunts and friendly healers.
What else do you need?
Rain of fire is one of the worst aoe skills. You die as a tank to RoF? Do you have not a single healer?
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:42 pm
by Azuzu
Coryphaus wrote: Ofc and i agree that wl is not as powerful, i said that in the very first post in this thread
the entire diatribe of this conversation started from pounce nd what it allows wls to do in keep seiges and destro not being able to respond in a similar manner
Ofc mara gets pull and then so does wl and before any one starts this is not live, here in ror pounce works better than it did on live so fetch and TE will work better than it did on live and become more consistent so that point is moot
I'm not going to lie, I didn't read through the entire thread.
I didn't mean to insinuate that you were calling them OP. I was trying to answer the original poster with my first post.
I don't mind pounce in WLs current state. If in the future WL is buffed, I think a 5 - 10 sec CD would need to be added to pounce to help balance out WLs.
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:43 pm
by Penril
Sulorie wrote:Coryphaus wrote:
What melees have kd here? None on destro bar we
and i dont know about your tank but mine dosnt last long vs multiple rain of fires and other aoe on the roof
Magus, WE and tanks can KD with the current levelcap. Melees can burst down WLs out of guard and/or healrange. You have detaunts and friendly healers.
What else do you need?
Rain of fire is one of the worst aoe skills. You die as a tank to RoF? Do you have not a single healer?
Keep in mind this is RoR: Age of casuals. People don't want to group up or rely on other players. Why should they group up anyway? They don't have time for that crap; they only play for an hour or 2 each day. Much easier to say "nerf x skill/class that killed me".
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:44 pm
by Penril
Azuzu wrote:If in the future WL is buffed, I think a 5 - 10 sec CD would need to be added to pounce to help balance out WLs.
This. There is nothing left to be said about WLs.
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:48 pm
by Abolition
Penril wrote:Azuzu wrote:If in the future WL is buffed, I think a 5 - 10 sec CD would need to be added to pounce to help balance out WLs.
This. There is nothing left to be said about WLs.
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Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:53 pm
by Coryphaus
Choppa dosnt get kd till 30 and he needs to be bezerk to use it
Mara kd is in monstro tree that only a foolish player would spec
But tell me would any of those 3 want to be on the roof to deal with all roof to deal with all that aoe dmg? It's not a fun experience when you could suddenly just die from from like 1k crit dota
The only tank who can reliably have his kd ready to immediatly respond to a wl attacking a clothie is chosen
The others have some potential requirement that they need in which time the wl could have bursted their target and gotten away
I don't known what kd magus has but it's the least popular classes on destro and as such you see very few of them
I don't want any changes now but down the line when in t4 when devs make changes to the class this abilty needs to be looked at
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:53 pm
by Korhill
Hehe 5 to 10 sec CD on pounce. Than please change the abilitiy and give us an HP debuff aswell or something else like MARs. So we have something worth that we get easier an invite to a group.
Hehe 10 seconds CD on pounce
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:57 pm
by Azuzu
Korhill wrote:Hehe 5 to 10 sec CD on pounce. Than please change the abilitiy and give us an HP debuff aswell or something else like MARs. So we have something worth that we get easier an invite to a group.
Hehe 10 seconds CD on pounce
How do you have such selective reading. It's like your looking for reasons to argue.
I said if WL is buffed...BUFFED. They would need a 5 - 10 second CD on pounce to make up for the added utlity, damage or survivability.
Your responding to it like we suggested a nerf to pounce in the current state of the class.
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 4:58 pm
by Penril
Coryphaus wrote:Choppa dosnt get kd till 30 and he needs to be bezerk to use it
Mara kd is in monstro tree that only a foolish player would spec
But tell me would any of those 3 want to be on the roof to deal with all roof to deal with all that aoe dmg? It's not a fun experience when you could suddenly just die from from like 1k crit dota
The only tank who can reliably have his kd ready to immediatly respond to a wl attacking a clothie is chosen
The others have some potential requirement that they need in which time the wl could have bursted their target and gotten away
I don't known what kd magus has but it's the least popular classes on destro and as such you see very few of them
I don't want any changes now but down the line when in t4 when devs make changes to the class this abilty needs to be looked at
Joined a couple WBs this weekend. I guarded a Sorc a couple times, just staying close to him holding the line. When a WL pounced to us, i usually had my M1 ready and Champ Challenged him. Once the M1 was about to be gone, i followed with a KD. After a while, WLs stopped trying to pounce to us.
Same thing can easily be done with BG (if you are guarding someone you will block = you can use KD) or BO (Just use Changing Da Plan! and wait with Best Plan! ready).
Re: How is the state of WL?
Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:01 pm
by Coryphaus
Penril wrote:Sulorie wrote:Coryphaus wrote:
What melees have kd here? None on destro bar we
and i dont know about your tank but mine dosnt last long vs multiple rain of fires and other aoe on the roof
Magus, WE and tanks can KD with the current levelcap. Melees can burst down WLs out of guard and/or healrange. You have detaunts and friendly healers.
What else do you need?
Rain of fire is one of the worst aoe skills. You die as a tank to RoF? Do you have not a single healer?
Keep in mind this is RoR: Age of casuals. People don't want to group up or rely on other players. Why should they group up anyway? They don't have time for that crap; they only play for an hour or 2 each day. Much easier to say "nerf x skill/class that killed me".
Were all grown folks here pen we have school, work, family to drop more than 2 hrs...
Furthermore destro never really seems to have the drive to do orvr any more so once is a full moon when destro gets a wb toghter you don't complain about how "unoptimal your grp is"