Return of Reckoning

I would argue that a S&B Anguish BG is far more terrifying than a 2h Anguish BG. The S&B setup is harder to peel and can sit you on your ass for 5 seconds. Also, if you're not running Crimson Death, there is very little point and incentive to use a 2h.

But right now the uniqueness of BG is that they are the only tank class that does not have a 2h KD.

Well, no doubt. But buffing is not a zero-sum game. 2H BG brings other assets to the table, an access to KD would devaluate other classes and make class choice a bit more tedious.

If you want to see more 2H BG (as I do), maybe a buff to their dmg numbers would be better, that's scalable at least.

War wrote:I would argue that a S&B Anguish BG is far more terrifying than a 2h Anguish BG. The S&B setup is harder to peel and can sit you on your ass for 5 seconds. Also, if you're not running Crimson Death, there is very little point and incentive to use a 2h.

This.

madmatics wrote:
Well, no doubt. But buffing is not a zero-sum game. 2H BG brings other assets to the table, an access to KD would devaluate other classes and make class choice a bit more tedious.

If you want to see more 2H BG (as I do), maybe a buff to their dmg numbers would be better, that's scalable at least.

Crimson Death hits hard, but it's only really good as part of a melee train. This is the only thing a two hander brings to the table, and it's not worth it. How does giving a 2h BG a KD devaluate other classes? You are moving the goal posts here.

Kotbs knockdown is pretty high in the def mastery. So no, 2hander kobtses don't have a knockdown. Unless it's a def tank with 2hander which is pretty rare.

zabis wrote:

madmatics wrote:Please don't give BG's a knock down. This will set the case for almost any kind of class adjustments to make any class more 'balanced' in the future.

Ongoing class and skill equalisation made me (and a hell lot others) quit WoW. I love(d) Warhammer for the unique classes...

But right now the uniqueness of BG is that they are the only tank class that does not have a 2h KD.

This is exactly what he's saying, and what is wrong with all these balances threads we will continue to see. If everyone gets equalization, all archetypes should basically look the same and given everything.

Mirroring is the worst way to balance things. There are many better ways, like complensate the lack of control with higher damage.

Nishka wrote:Kotbs knockdown is pretty high in the def mastery. So no, 2hander kobtses don't have a knockdown. Unless it's a def tank with 2hander which is pretty rare.

The only reason why you aren't taking the KD is because you are taking the Mez instead.

Nishka wrote:Mirroring is the worst way to balance things. There are many better ways, like complensate the lack of control with higher damage.

Again it wont be mirrored, it will be it's own unique ability, it will require a Parry and hatred (things that Cave-in doesn't require), it also wont have the damage that Cave-in does, BoR's damage is mediocre in comparison.

Nishka wrote:Kotbs knockdown is pretty high in the def mastery. So no, 2hander kobtses don't have a knockdown. Unless it's a def tank with 2hander which is pretty rare.

Ok, can kotbs spec it though if they choose to? If so they why yes it does look like kotbs does have access to a kd (its their choice if they want to get it but they do have access to one )

BG's dont have that liberty

Also 2h chosen can provide auras, and crippling strikes with undefendable aoe spirit dmg attacks

2h Black orcs can buff multiple stats while also dealing massive dmg and with the kd change dps black orcs are more powerful than ever

Compared to those two, bg grp utlity is not as good as its buffs are more selfish in nature

this isnt some "generalization/equalization/mirroring" because quite frankly if your feel that way, then its already too late since 5/6 tanks have access towards specing to a kd in the 2h path

Nishka wrote:Mirroring is the worst way to balance things. There are many better ways, like complensate the lack of control with higher damage.

I would argue against this, as the mirroring of the knockdowns on the tanks and especially the mirroring of the WP/DoK healing trees and DPS tactics. I would invite you to find someone who says that Warrior Priest and DoK healing trees are imbalanced.

The Warrior Priest and DoK dps options are even fairly balanced, except for things like a 25% heal debuff vs 50%.

While mirroring may be boring, it is, in many ways, the best choice for balance.

Mirrors having mechanical differences for flavor is okay but glaring differences in how much you can bring to a group isn't.