Return of Reckoning

btw I was there and it was Magus in my group who pulled you in soooo many times

Chinesehero wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:28 am Just now the same happen
Order 0 pull
Destro always pull
Why make this difference?
Yesterday order def
today Order attack
I think most of the time the Mara pull me, because only 1 target and it really far
on the other hand, WL seem cant do the same

1. Order have access to both a ST pull (WL Fetch) and AoE pull (Engineer's Magnet).

2. The issue is your positioning: you have very bad situational awareness, always charge in head first as a 2h tank into 30+ enemies - with limited/no support - and make for an incredibly easy target, so it is no surprise that Destro capitalise on your poor positioning with pulls.

Take responsibility for your mistakes, don't attribute your failings to 'Destro bias!', position yourself better, equip a Shield if you are dead set on charging into the battle alone = Profit!

order doesn't have 0 pull, i'm bumping into engis like coffee tables. order has 0 melee so no need to pull. destro pull you, you're in a horde of orcs, mara and chosen. order pull us, great news lads we're in the backline

give knight, sm and ib better shield builds and more ppl will play them. most of destro melee is just a nameless horde of defensive publords but it's been proven effective. sm and ib may have the 2 worst 13pt middles in the game right now, and knight is just boring

edit - for large scale, but nobody is taking shield tanks to small scale rn. so i've heard. i don't play it

tazdingo wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:46 pm order doesn't have 0 pull, i'm bumping into engis like coffee tables. order has 0 melee so no need to pull. destro pull you, you're in a horde of orcs, mara and chosen. order pull us, great news lads we're in the backline

give knight, sm and ib better shield builds and more ppl will play them. most of destro melee is just a nameless horde of defensive publords but it's been proven effective. sm and ib may have the 2 worst 13pt middles in the game right now, and knight is just boring

edit - for large scale, but nobody is taking shield tanks to small scale rn. so i've heard. i don't play it

engi is the same as magus
but Mara pull is stounger than WL pull , i think the lion will die before it can reach the target?
and Chopa is a bonus on pulling

This is what I feel in the fort
Maybe order pull is weak that Engi and WL is seldom use their pull

Chinesehero wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:05 pm

tazdingo wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:46 pm order doesn't have 0 pull, i'm bumping into engis like coffee tables. order has 0 melee so no need to pull. destro pull you, you're in a horde of orcs, mara and chosen. order pull us, great news lads we're in the backline

give knight, sm and ib better shield builds and more ppl will play them. most of destro melee is just a nameless horde of defensive publords but it's been proven effective. sm and ib may have the 2 worst 13pt middles in the game right now, and knight is just boring

edit - for large scale, but nobody is taking shield tanks to small scale rn. so i've heard. i don't play it

engi is the same as magus
but Mara pull is stounger than WL pull , i think the lion will die before it can reach the target?
and Chopa is a bonus on pulling

This is what I feel in the fort
Maybe order pull is weak that Engi and WL is seldom use their pull

Single-target pulls in large-scale RvR are pretty overrated anyway; AoE pulls reign supreme.

Giving out pulls was a real step backwards in balancing. Also giving out pounces. They were meant to be unique to certain classes. They also gave Magus and Engi a real niche.

Telen wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 3:18 pm Giving out pulls was a real step backwards in balancing. Also giving out pounces. They were meant to be unique to certain classes. They also gave Magus and Engi a real niche.

Choppa pull always existed: it was a case of either removing it and alienating a significant chunk of the Choppa audience (many of whom had grown attached to the lulzy aspect of the pull), or keeping it in some form while working on a better 13-pt replacement (which should still be pursued, imo). Vast majority of Choppa players wanted the pull to stay in some form (which it has, albeit nerfed) - and Magus pull is still more reliable - so I don't think the Magus niche has been compromised whatsoever.

Pounce on a Melee SH makes perfect sense when you factor in what it is he is trying to do: disrupt battle, cause headaches to backlines, and generally just bounce around the place (one need only look at the trailer) as a big meatball.

Chinesehero wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 12:58 am QQ muh deepz 0 cuz op destro pulls

learn to position yourself

he has a point

Trade Choppa random 4 target pull with 6 sec melee range channel to ID, Slayers can get the pull in exchange. Then everyone can be happy.