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Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:48 pm
by sighy
Atropik wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:08 pm
I want WE:
- to become a medium armor class or to have a ST armordebuff just like any other melee class, so i can still have at least 300 armor on my own and not the negative amout of it when fighting a WL,
- be able to hit 3 targets with basic core ability so i can spend less time cleaning out bb/be,
- just 1 (ONE) decent 13 pt (!) ST melee finisher that would be actually a
finisher and would deal a decent damage by the moment it is applied,
- Sewer Blessing to become an undefendable attack, cause this game from WEs perspective has only 3 blessings which worth to be removed - they are Repel Blasphemy, leonine Frenzy an Vigilance, and you know what? Yeah, lf is fine but its hard to pierce through the 100% parry buff or snb on kotbs.
- Rampage on slayer should not ignore m1
and many other things..
Medium armor fits neither their lore counterparts nor the assassin gimmick and your st armor debuff is tied to one of the pve dagger. (I'd honestly prefer if the dagger debuff and self WS buff of Pierce Armor got swapped)
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:08 pm
by inoeth
not sure why WH/WE even needs armor debuff since they can hit 100% through armor....
for ST burst down its useless for both since they usually kill targets in 5s while KD
and even if you have to face a longer fight vs high armor targets: tanks with 5k laugh about your 800 armor debuff
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:31 pm
by sighy
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:08 pm
not sure why WH/WE even needs armor debuff since they can hit 100% through armor....
for ST burst down its useless for both since they usually kill targets in 5s while KD
and even if you have to face a longer fight vs high armor targets: tanks with 5k laugh about your 800 armor debuff
Contrary to popular belief WEs have abilities other than AW and WB...
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:08 pm
by inoeth
sighy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:31 pm
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:08 pm
not sure why WH/WE even needs armor debuff since they can hit 100% through armor....
for ST burst down its useless for both since they usually kill targets in 5s while KD
and even if you have to face a longer fight vs high armor targets: tanks with 5k laugh about your 800 armor debuff
Contrary to popular belief WEs have abilities other than AW and WB...
true but why bother if you have those two? and still: who cares about armor debuff lol
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:29 pm
by Krima
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:08 pm
sighy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:31 pm
inoeth wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:08 pm
not sure why WH/WE even needs armor debuff since they can hit 100% through armor....
for ST burst down its useless for both since they usually kill targets in 5s while KD
and even if you have to face a longer fight vs high armor targets: tanks with 5k laugh about your 800 armor debuff
Contrary to popular belief WEs have abilities other than AW and WB...
true but why bother if you have those two? and still: who cares about armor debuff lol
Slice, sacrificial stab and other frenzies hits for nothing without armor pen, so yes. armor debuff is needed.
Lol, I do care and most high skill WEs feel the same. Funny how after WHs burn armor skill everyone is using it over sudden accusation. It increases Dmg of BAL, BH, AA, RB. why not give it to WE ?
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:30 am
by Hugatsaga
WE is mostly fun and fine as it is. WH getting armor debuff and WE getting meme pounce might feel a little unfair from WE perspective though but its ok. I think both classes were fine without those but they are still fine right now. Biggest problem (and almost only problem id say... you can make a case about some finishers needing love but im scared that if finishers get reworked, end result will be worse than current) by far for WE right now is that its hard to get in the city warbands because lot of warband leaders tend to favour aoe classes. But thats not a class balance issue and doesnt require any class changes imo, just attitude and prejudice issue on some players part. WE can do a lot of work in cities if warband runs a single target party. Lot of solid warbands already make good use of this.
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:04 pm
by Atropik
sighy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:48 pm
Medium armor fits neither their lore counterparts nor the assassin gimmick and your st armor debuff is tied to one of the pve dagger. (I'd honestly prefer if the dagger debuff and self WS buff of Pierce Armor got swapped)
If slayer is a medium armor class here, if sw can switch into melee, if Rune Priest can run with 4k+ armor onboard, why cant WE? Does WAR FB Lore have the concept of "medium armor" in its origin?
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:54 pm
by sighy
Atropik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:04 pm
sighy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:48 pm
Medium armor fits neither their lore counterparts nor the assassin gimmick and your st armor debuff is tied to one of the pve dagger. (I'd honestly prefer if the dagger debuff and self WS buff of Pierce Armor got swapped)
If slayer is a medium armor class here, if sw can switch into melee, if Rune Priest can run with 4k+ armor onboard, why cant WE? Does WAR FB Lore have the concept of "medium armor" in its origin?
It did with stuff like Ithilmar Mail, Dalakoi and so forth. (SW always was an ambush specialist elite hybrid infantry conceptually) Runies&co running around with armor talismans is more of a global balance problem than anything, because the big threats they have to worry about are basically all physical. (and the armor talis being very powerful against that)
Lorewise WEs kind of just get drugs and forget the concept of defense, in favor of attacking the enemy harder and eviscerating them, in a flurry of poisoned blades and frenzied screeching. (Very stealthy lol) However they did have a sizable boost when Cauldron of Blood was around tabletopwise it translated to 5+invul save, after the whole armor/toughness schtick fails, on top of some offensive buffs. If we presented an idea in that regard which seems doable we could possible get more headway than "gib me armur"
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:08 pm
by Evilest
Please tell me more about this lore and WLs.
Re: WE state atm
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:33 am
by Hamachi
sighy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 3:54 pm
Atropik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:04 pm
sighy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 27, 2021 5:48 pm
Medium armor fits neither their lore counterparts nor the assassin gimmick and your st armor debuff is tied to one of the pve dagger. (I'd honestly prefer if the dagger debuff and self WS buff of Pierce Armor got swapped)
If slayer is a medium armor class here, if sw can switch into melee, if Rune Priest can run with 4k+ armor onboard, why cant WE? Does WAR FB Lore have the concept of "medium armor" in its origin?
It did with stuff like Ithilmar Mail, Dalakoi and so forth. (SW always was an ambush specialist elite hybrid infantry conceptually) Runies&co running around with armor talismans is more of a global balance problem than anything, because the big threats they have to worry about are basically all physical. (and the armor talis being very powerful against that)
Lorewise WEs kind of just get drugs and forget the concept of defense, in favor of attacking the enemy harder and eviscerating them, in a flurry of poisoned blades and frenzied screeching. (Very stealthy lol) However they did have a sizable boost when Cauldron of Blood was around tabletopwise it translated to 5+invul save, after the whole armor/toughness schtick fails, on top of some offensive buffs. If we presented an idea in that regard which seems doable we could possible get more headway than "gib me armur"
Gimme that Drugs !!! Or Blood Buff that stacks with itself for every Order i Kill and gives some Stats or something, till Killing Streak ends.