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Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:15 pm
by Azhag
Omegus wrote: Wed Nov 09, 2022 5:22 pm
How much more dev time and player rewards/bribes are needed to get people to play a game mode that clearly they do not want to play?
Not so much if you do it wisely:
1. Do research with those who don't play ranked.
2. Understand what the problem is.
3. Make hypotheses for solutions to the problem.
4. Test these solutions with a minimum of development.
5. Develop better solutions that work.
This is a standard process of product development. And among other things there is no need to reinvent the wheel when you can also look at the best practices of games in which this mode is alive, such as the arena in World of Warcraft which has been played for decades.
Instead of that some random decision like “let's lock the best equipment under the rating” is taken, which doesn't work and it's concluded that the mode is not necessary and it should be closed. No, that's not how it's supposed to work.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:28 am
by cromathor
The price for the Triumphant/Victorious Jewelry is fine. It's just the right amount of massive grind that players will only attempt to get it on their most favorite toons, and the bonus you get from it is just the right amount of rewarding for the grind without being insanely broken and overpowered.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 4:14 pm
by Scottx125
JohnnyWayne wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:37 pm
cromathor wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2022 7:28 am
The price for the Triumphant/Victorious Jewelry is fine. It's just the right amount of massive grind that players will only attempt to get it on their most favorite toons, and the bonus you get from it is just the right amount of rewarding for the grind without being insanely broken and overpowered.
So, I have it on my AM and my Slayer. Im currently playing my WP to get it there for salvation and grace. Your point was again?
His point was the price is fine and doesn't need to be changed, which I agree with, it's like a 1-5% performance improvement for 10x the normal cost not efficient but as an end game piece of gear it doesn't matter, with full sov you're already at 95% of your gear needs. Btw, you need 2 for Salv/Grace, they don't use the same ring.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:54 pm
by cromathor
JohnnyWayne wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:37 pm
So, I have it on my AM and my Slayer. Im currently playing my WP to get it there for salvation and grace. Your point was again?
Read my comment, then read yours and ask yourself which one is missing a point.
One was a clearly stated opinion explaining my point of view, while yours is just a cringe forced attempt to brag about your toons.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:53 am
by Ashoris
the Price is fine because:
1) Its the last bit of performance ... you can easily live/survive without it.
2) there is a huge amount of people who need a carrot in front of them to play their toon .... this is the perfect carrot - because its far away. (when Vanquisher was max gear the forum was full of people complaining about no new gear, no reason to play because no new "loot").
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 4:45 pm
by dwyur
Ashoris wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:53 am
the Price is fine because:
1) Its the last bit of performance ... you can easily live/survive without it.
2) there is a huge amount of people who need a carrot in front of them to play their toon .... this is the perfect carrot - because its far away. (when Vanquisher was max gear the forum was full of people complaining about no new gear, no reason to play because no new "loot").
Facts, 9999 is fine.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:48 pm
by cromathor
JohnnyWayne wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:27 am
So far, I've been getting it on
all my toons, where (and because) it is the best in slot gear. Your point is false and your attempt of justifying it, is what is cringe. If you don't intent to equip your characters most optimally in the first place, then you have no say in this.
lol what a **** peach you are.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:40 am
by Amdus
Azhag wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 9:15 pm
Not so much if you do it wisely:
1. Do research with those who don't play ranked.
2. Understand what the problem is.
3. Make hypotheses for solutions to the problem.
4. Test these solutions with a minimum of development.
5. Develop better solutions that work.
This is a standard process of product development. And among other things there is no need to reinvent the wheel when you can also look at the best practices of games in which this mode is alive, such as the arena in World of Warcraft which has been played for decades.
Instead of that some random decision like “let's lock the best equipment under the rating” is taken, which doesn't work and it's concluded that the mode is not necessary and it should be closed. No, that's not how it's supposed to work.
I think that having the entire set locked behind rating requirements and a complete overhaul in terms of balance is the only viable solution to ever bring back ranked naturally and even improve the game quality altogether.
Ashoris wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:53 am
the Price is fine because:
1) Its the last bit of performance ... you can easily live/survive without it.
2) there is a huge amount of people who need a carrot in front of them to play their toon .... this is the perfect carrot - because its far away. (when Vanquisher was max gear the forum was full of people complaining about no new gear, no reason to play because no new "loot").
A couple of wotlk private servers have been running for 10 years without any new gear, content or updates at all and they have more than 30k players at peak hours, so I fail to see your carrot logic here, big time. Maybe the reason is that there's a massive underlying issue that most people don't want to admit or even see. Living in denial has expiration date.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2022 4:13 pm
by Ashoris
Amdus wrote: Thu Nov 17, 2022 2:40 am
Ashoris wrote: Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:53 am
the Price is fine because:
1) Its the last bit of performance ... you can easily live/survive without it.
2) there is a huge amount of people who need a carrot in front of them to play their toon .... this is the perfect carrot - because its far away. (when Vanquisher was max gear the forum was full of people complaining about no new gear, no reason to play because no new "loot").
A couple of wotlk private servers have been running for 10 years without any new gear, content or updates at all and they have more than 30k players at peak hours, so I fail to see your carrot logic here, big time. Maybe the reason is that there's a massive underlying issue that most people don't want to admit or even see. Living in denial has expiration date.
The carrot Logic is not for me personally .. i was pretty happy with the game even when you could just buy green equipment stuff and PvP the whole time ... no progress in level/RR or Equipment, but unfortunately the community thinks different as they have proven in the past.
Re: Triumphant Jewelry - A request to reconsider the cost
Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 12:30 pm
by Abiled
As a player, having more choices is better, the fact its available without having to team with some toxic players is worth it alone