Return of Reckoning

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:06 pm

ReturnOfReckoning wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:02 pm Chapter 22 Public Quest Re-Launch

With the relaunch of Chapter 22 PQ, and the fact that new interesting gears are linked to it, what is the team's view on leechers ?

@RoR Team, any answer to that please ?

So players are leeching freely, is this intentional ? Also, what about players outside of WB that can throw the PQ with the mecanics ?

Thanks for coming up with that topic. We will discuss internally whether there is a need to adapt rules regarding CH22 or whether it makes sense to find a technical solution.

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:17 pm

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:06 pm

ReturnOfReckoning wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 12:02 pm Chapter 22 Public Quest Re-Launch

With the relaunch of Chapter 22 PQ, and the fact that new interesting gears are linked to it, what is the team's view on leechers ?

@RoR Team, any answer to that please ?

So players are leeching freely, is this intentional ? Also, what about players outside of WB that can throw the PQ with the mecanics ?

Wait, isnt it a PUBLIC Quest anymore?

Maybe its time to make Onslaught Drop from a dingeon then... or not announce in 5 youre doing chapter 22.

Brizio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:13 pm

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:17 pm

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Wed Sep 04, 2024 1:06 pm

With the relaunch of Chapter 22 PQ, and the fact that new interesting gears are linked to it, what is the team's view on leechers ?

@RoR Team, any answer to that please ?

So players are leeching freely, is this intentional ? Also, what about players outside of WB that can throw the PQ with the mecanics ?

Wait, isnt it a PUBLIC Quest anymore?

Maybe its time to make Onslaught Drop from a dingeon then... or not announce in 5 youre doing chapter 22.

Do you really not see the issue with people taking bags from the group that formed up specifically to do that content? I'll make it vary clear as someone who goes out of their way to organize these things on the destro side. If people keep leeching we will simply stop running them. All the leeches do is ruin it for everyone.

reyaloran wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:18 pm

Brizio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:13 pm

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:17 pm


@RoR Team, any answer to that please ?

So players are leeching freely, is this intentional ? Also, what about players outside of WB that can throw the PQ with the mecanics ?

Wait, isnt it a PUBLIC Quest anymore?

Maybe its time to make Onslaught Drop from a dingeon then... or not announce in 5 youre doing chapter 22.

Do you really not see the issue with people taking bags from the group that formed up specifically to do that content? I'll make it vary clear as someone who goes out of their way to organize these things on the destro side. If people keep leeching we will simply stop running them. All the leeches do is ruin it for everyone.

I honestly dont care. No issue at all. Let the pug leaches and empower solo players. There are more important issues to be dealt with in my opinion.

Since its apparently different Devs that handle pve, we have Dungeons that are pretty much tharsh mobs and easy bosses. Bring Lost Vale to reward Onslaught on the same model.

Brizio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:30 pm

reyaloran wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:18 pm

Brizio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:13 pm
Wait, isnt it a PUBLIC Quest anymore?

Maybe its time to make Onslaught Drop from a dingeon then... or not announce in 5 youre doing chapter 22.

Do you really not see the issue with people taking bags from the group that formed up specifically to do that content? I'll make it vary clear as someone who goes out of their way to organize these things on the destro side. If people keep leeching we will simply stop running them. All the leeches do is ruin it for everyone.

I honestly dont care. No issue at all. Let the pug leaches and empower solo players. There are more important issues to be dealt with in my opinion.

Since its apparently different Devs that handle pve, we have Dungeons that are pretty much tharsh mobs and easy bosses. Bring Lost Vale to reward Onslaught on the same model.

I know that this is called a public quest, but before AR, GMs could take action against leechers.

This is content intended for 24 players, as specified by the team, so having solo players who come and try to steal loot or even prevent players from succeeding in the PQ could be considered harassment (see the Code of Conduct) if the 24 players ask players outside the WB to leave.

It is not normal that players who take the time to organize themselves to do this content are punished by selfish players (especially if they come to brag afterwards on Discord about having had a gold bag). I understand that we have every type of players but again, and this is totally the same with the Weekly SC rent about premade, if you want to participate in content that is aimed at a certain group/format of players, that's up to you to adapt, not the game.

A solution that could delight everyone, failing to have the PQ 22 instanced, would be to give a currency for each participant in the last phase. This currency could then be exchanged with a vendor to have a piece of Onslaught's armor, a box of talismans, ...

In this way, everyone could participate and be rewarded, from the moment the public quest is completed.

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:20 am

Brizio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:30 pm

reyaloran wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:18 pm
Do you really not see the issue with people taking bags from the group that formed up specifically to do that content? I'll make it vary clear as someone who goes out of their way to organize these things on the destro side. If people keep leeching we will simply stop running them. All the leeches do is ruin it for everyone.

I honestly dont care. No issue at all. Let the pug leaches and empower solo players. There are more important issues to be dealt with in my opinion.

Since its apparently different Devs that handle pve, we have Dungeons that are pretty much tharsh mobs and easy bosses. Bring Lost Vale to reward Onslaught on the same model.

I know that this is called a public quest, but before AR, GMs could take action against leechers.

This is content intended for 24 players, as specified by the team, so having solo players who come and try to steal loot or even prevent players from succeeding in the PQ could be considered harassment (see the Code of Conduct) if the 24 players ask players outside the WB to leave.

It is not normal that players who take the time to organize themselves to do this content are punished by selfish players (especially if they come to brag afterwards on Discord about having had a gold bag). I understand that we have every type of players but again, and this is totally the same with the Weekly SC rent about premade, if you want to participate in content that is aimed at a certain group/format of players, that's up to you to adapt, not the game.

A solution that could delight everyone, failing to have the PQ 22 instanced, would be to give a currency for each participant in the last phase. This currency could then be exchanged with a vendor to have a piece of Onslaught's armor, a box of talismans, ...

In this way, everyone could participate and be rewarded, from the moment the public quest is completed.

Yeah no, not a great take on the part of "leeching". This goes against the entire concept of PQs. The solution 100% isn't and wasn't to make it an offense to participate in them from outside of whatever organized group is doing it. There is no such thing as leeching in a PQ.

The issue is quite simply that it's bad design to make a PUBLIC QUEST NOT PUBLIC. What we need is more content that allows more people to work together with a lower bar of entry, not the opposite. The solution is indeed to make the rewards scale with participants beyond 24, either by currency or simply more bags. Optimally difficulty would aswell, but honestly? It's not even important. It's conceptually a drop-in public community event, and making it anything else would require it not to be a PQ, and clearly marked as something else in-game. Any notion of barring people from participation or rewards is outright insulting for as long as it is a PQ.

The focus on having to organize and making content less pug friendly is fine to a degree, but open world content should never be designed in a way that makes people flip out on the average joe like this, or induce any obligation for people not to participate simply because there aren't enough rewards in the pool.

But yeah, the actual solution presented is great. The rest, not so much.

Back when we had ch22 implemented, main party tanking Bosses was the one with highest contribution, bags were pretty much tied to them. No idea how is contribution working after rework.

I hate it when im soloing Chp 22 and a full wb of 24 leeches turns up to grief me

CyunUnderis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:20 am

Brizio wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:30 pm

reyaloran wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:18 pm
Do you really not see the issue with people taking bags from the group that formed up specifically to do that content? I'll make it vary clear as someone who goes out of their way to organize these things on the destro side. If people keep leeching we will simply stop running them. All the leeches do is ruin it for everyone.

I honestly dont care. No issue at all. Let the pug leaches and empower solo players. There are more important issues to be dealt with in my opinion.

Since its apparently different Devs that handle pve, we have Dungeons that are pretty much tharsh mobs and easy bosses. Bring Lost Vale to reward Onslaught on the same model.

I know that this is called a public quest, but before AR, GMs could take action against leechers.

This is content intended for 24 players, as specified by the team, so having solo players who come and try to steal loot or even prevent players from succeeding in the PQ could be considered harassment (see the Code of Conduct) if the 24 players ask players outside the WB to leave.

It is not normal that players who take the time to organize themselves to do this content are punished by selfish players (especially if they come to brag afterwards on Discord about having had a gold bag). I understand that we have every type of players but again, and this is totally the same with the Weekly SC rent about premade, if you want to participate in content that is aimed at a certain group/format of players, that's up to you to adapt, not the game.

A solution that could delight everyone, failing to have the PQ 22 instanced, would be to give a currency for each participant in the last phase. This currency could then be exchanged with a vendor to have a piece of Onslaught's armor, a box of talismans, ...

In this way, everyone could participate and be rewarded, from the moment the public quest is completed.

https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/Public_Quests