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Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:05 pm
by Nanji
Aceboltz wrote:Nanji wrote:
When you pounce to a target which is running without snare, not even mentioning run away, you cant snare due to meleerange issues. (hidden l2p issue)
The pet has is own permasnare and runs faster than players. More QQ please.
How about SH that loose the greatest disarm in game when the pet is killed? This skill is no only good for solo play, it's great for group play because with it you can save other players from ennemy melees and prevent rkd and refreshing of snare and debuff amoung other things. They also loose their sprint and some damage.
How about engineers that are so **** without their turret and tools?
Facepalm, trained to threaten is not viable.
Disarm is not anyhow near a 25% flat dmg loss for the wl and an overall dmg loss for the pet dmg which is remarkably high.
Play a WL yourself and you will see the difference in dmg yourself or ask xelix he is playing both sh and wl.
Engineers are not viable either and I am assuming they will be buffed once we have t4.
Still waiting for you to have a valid point.....
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:07 pm
by Azarael
Before we go any further, one thing I need to verify.
Could you use Pounce to defeat knockbacks on live?
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:09 pm
by Zegota
Yes. Knockback was a waste of cooldown if you used it against a wl.
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:10 pm
by Nanji
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:11 pm
by wender88
Azarael wrote:Before we go any further, one thing I need to verify.
Could you use Pounce to defeat knockbacks on live?
Yes - although it was hard to do, when spamming abilities, because the traveltime of a punt usually is shorter than a global cooldown. Also the factor that Pounce was "buggy" and didnt always trigger midair, made it hard. But it was indeed doable. Like seen with WH/WE self punt.
Edit: What Wingz said.
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:12 pm
by Azarael
Then it's a major balance change, and I don't have the authority to make it alone.
I will also be allowing the Marauder to proc mutations from thrown axes until general balance is done in T4.
Btw, regarding Deadly Clutch: Potions are classed internally as pure heals (Morale-type) and are not affected by Deadly Clutch.
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 12:16 pm
by SilverWF
Bretin wrote:My first thought was to not reply at all but yet I can’t. There is too much bullshit in this forum and too many people with literally no idea what they are talking about i.e. SilverWF
Really? Care to explain or prefer to being just blahblaher?
Ow wait, you already showed yourself as someone, who didn't know what he is talking about:
Bretin wrote:Highest HP Debuff ingame - Not highest
Highest Armor Debuff ingame - not highest
Best incoming Heal Debuff ingame - with tactic only, but without tactic it's lowest
Toughness Debuff - a lot of classes has it
Toughness and Str Buff - the same as previous
Heal Leech (including Overheal, Pots, Damage Heal) - after all "bug fixes" not
AP Drain - And? a lot of classes has it
AP Increase - what? No, seriously, WTF is this about?
Immunity to Armor Penetration - only at proc and with mutation
Selfheal - it's weak and a tons of classes has it
Damage Modifier which doesn't have any requirements - Rly? What are you talking about?
Piercing Bite - didn't you said about this already or?
Self Crit Tactic - with incoming crit debuff
Crit Damage Tactic w/o requirements - a lot of classes has it
Crit Increase for Group - i.e. KOTBS has it too and AM
Wave of Terror which is THE best ability in any large scale fight - with tactic only
Highest tooltip damage ingame - Not. And there is no tooltip wars. Mara has lower REAL damage output
AP Tactic - a tons of classeshas it
Core AoE Interrupt - and? many classes has it too
Unpurgable Snare - Not already
Superior Fetch compared to WL - But has NO Pounce
looking at this list all I can say: you are forgot about ability to wear armor and weapon. Really.
Change piercing bite and let it only affect the abilities of his damage tree (Brutality). - another example of "knowledge". this is CORE tactic.
WL is the only class w/o a incoming healdebuff - and again, NOT!
So, in conclusion: troll, go away.
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:12 pm
by SilverWF
Azarael wrote:I will also be allowing the Marauder to proc mutations from thrown axes until general balance is done in T4.
Thanks!
That was really inneeded change, based on voices of Order whiners.
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:13 pm
by Azarael
No, it wasn't a needed change and I still don't believe in it. I do it only because if I don't, I leave myself open.
Re: Reset WL Pounce
Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 1:15 pm
by SilverWF
Azarael wrote:because if I don't, I leave myself open.
That is it
