Return of Reckoning

Mavella wrote:One minor buff I think both classes could benefit from is making the out of stealth barbs less of a totally ignore-able joke. If we're going to live in world where we can't even have a sort of reliable snare (Feinted Positioning+Snapshot) at least make the movement barb sort of punishing if people are just gonna walk away from you.

Unfortunately for both these classes if even a minuscule gap is created they have essentially no hope of ever catching back up without a permasnaring tank around. In small man and solo confrontations or in a situation where you are caught out of stealth any ranged class is going to **** all over you and it is a death sentence.

Making these barbs worthy of using outside the AP reduction would also reward WH/WE for getting into stealth in larger engagements which isn't exactly easy with tons of aoe flying around and the oh so wonderful getting knocked out of stealth immediately after it applies bug (with a full 30second cooldown laughing at you in the face.)

Bretin wrote: since when is renown gain related to skill and game knowledge?

Bretin wrote: i honestly doubt that our coffee shop operators, supermarket employees and what not ppl inside this community do for live, are able to design a game as good as the mythic staff

dirnsterer wrote:I agree with the fact that people strafing away counters Witch Elf tad bit too efficently. Perhaps snare on the dagger if used with Feinted Positioning? Would not be anything too radical but slightly helpful.
Same of course for the WH. Like it would make sense to have it like this. Feinted Positioning says "Your positional attacks can be used without the positional requirement for 10 seconds. Does not affect MORALE abilities." Right? Right? Ah okay, fine. Not then.

But otherwise they are just fine.

Genisaurus wrote:

Bretin wrote:
since when is renown gain related to skill and game knowledge?

Strictly speaking? It doesn't. While I'm not talking about skill with the class, it would be hard to argue that you could get to the #6 position on a server only 2 months after 1.4 released without skill. Even farming keeps or AFKing in warcamps isn't going to get you that much renown relative to everyone else doing the same thing. Likewise, I don't think you get to RR85+ without learning the class, and in this case I'm specifically vouching for his knowledge in that class.

Do you have another metric you would prefer to use?

Torquemadra wrote:

TenTonHammer wrote:Flee is not some ghetto charge, it is an escape tool i hope this is addressed soon some day

and what, charge isnt used to escape? You can also use declare anathema as a means to leaping to a target if you are good enough. Abilities are what you make of them

Tklees wrote:
The burst peaks are reach due to abilities that involve a spec like such:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 1:;0:0:0:0:

This is the WE gank Spec and out of stealth you hit like a truck due to Masterful Trech. This can be combined with Puncture and Elixir of Insane Power to deliver some serious damage.

dirnsterer wrote:

Tklees wrote:
The burst peaks are reach due to abilities that involve a spec like such:
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 1:;0:0:0:0:

This is the WE gank Spec and out of stealth you hit like a truck due to Masterful Trech. This can be combined with Puncture and Elixir of Insane Power to deliver some serious damage.

Tried out Masterful Treachery one time, it was an okay boost to damage but that is way too unreliable of a build. Rather have OYK to catch people or if you expect people roaming to have some healing BLB/WB. Or maybe even build it to Masterful Treachery, scrap Sacrifical Stab as that was garbage skill and pick OYK. Drop one of the elixirs or knockdown and you are good to go.

Then also tackling deftards as WE you could go super deftard with the help of WB and procs from weapons and lotd talis while pairing up health regen renown abilities (was mostly possible with the 80+ rr's though).