Return of Reckoning

Spellbound wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:19 pm

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:13 pm

Spellbound wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:07 pm
Why does a range class get an ability better than charge for free? I will patiently wait for a reasonable answer that makes sense. =D

As logical answers are not allowed to be used as serious responses, the obvious answer is the magical powers of Gork and Mork.

Can we upgrade Order and Destro melee Charge to be unbreakable now to be equal to SH? Basically SH free ability is called, "Charge 3080 FTW3 Ultra".

Sponn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:04 pm

Run Away! is the strongest tactic in the game right now IMO.

The run speed should turn off on ability use, like every other run speed increaser in the game (save for flee).

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:08 pm

Sponn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:04 pm

Run Away! is the strongest tactic in the game right now IMO.

The run speed should turn off on ability use, like every other run speed increaser in the game (save for flee).

You mean your 40% snares or rkd can't stop their 30% speed proc? Are you talking 1vs1 again?

knick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:02 pm

BelligerentBob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:46 pm
Run away is to simply and have no drawback. it cost no AP and you dont need to think about it. there is a good reason why you see SH and shamys everywhere roaming but no AM and only a few SW. a tactic so powerful should be reworked. i mean most tactics like absorb have a trigger time but why not run away? A internal cooldown like 3-5 sec is not unreasonable...

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Oglaf wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:04 pm

knick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:02 pm

BelligerentBob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:46 pm The team hasn't gotten it right but they're going in the right direction with these changes by moving Run Away! to a core ability. The game is balanced around group play, not one-on-one vacuums. Ranged Squig Herders got a massive rework BUT that made the class feel clunky and unnatural to veteran QS Squig Herder players who suddenly found themselves in the fray with melee.

That said, every mDPS has a form of speed boost, some even multiple, and your snare/root break/immunity should not be used recklessly considering the cooldown on it.

And last I checked WLs are still a popular class and have ranged root, charge, pull, and of course the iconic Pounce. If anything, the change to Run Away! has made me feel like White Lion's should lose charge... unless dual wielding...

edit: On live we all slotted Odjira in our boots and specced into Quick Escape because of how good speed increases are both offensive and defensively. RA! should have a condition on it, something like requires an active Gas or Spiked Squig instead of just an active pet.

range root can be blocked, pull dosent work on a enemy who is running strait away from pet because stand still while attack and if you pounce you landing out of attack range if the enemy is moving. You should try it by yourself befor give such statements.

Run away is to simply and have no drawback. it cost no AP and you dont need to think about it. there is a good reason why you see SH and shamys everywhere roaming but no AM and only a few SW. a tactic so powerful should be reworked. i mean most tactics like absorb have a trigger time but why not run away? A internal cooldown like 3-5 sec is not unreasonable...

Actually, I see just as many (if not more) AMs roaming than I see friendly Shamans.

See that's the problem with personal anecdotes as evidence.

Sponn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:04 pm

knick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:02 pm

BelligerentBob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:46 pm The team hasn't gotten it right but they're going in the right direction with these changes by moving Run Away! to a core ability. The game is balanced around group play, not one-on-one vacuums. Ranged Squig Herders got a massive rework BUT that made the class feel clunky and unnatural to veteran QS Squig Herder players who suddenly found themselves in the fray with melee.

That said, every mDPS has a form of speed boost, some even multiple, and your snare/root break/immunity should not be used recklessly considering the cooldown on it.

And last I checked WLs are still a popular class and have ranged root, charge, pull, and of course the iconic Pounce. If anything, the change to Run Away! has made me feel like White Lion's should lose charge... unless dual wielding...

edit: On live we all slotted Odjira in our boots and specced into Quick Escape because of how good speed increases are both offensive and defensively. RA! should have a condition on it, something like requires an active Gas or Spiked Squig instead of just an active pet.

range root can be blocked, pull dosent work on a enemy who is running strait away from pet because stand still while attack and if you pounce you landing out of attack range if the enemy is moving. You should try it by yourself befor give such statements.

Run away is to simply and have no drawback. it cost no AP and you dont need to think about it. there is a good reason why you see SH and shamys everywhere roaming but no AM and only a few SW. a tactic so powerful should be reworked. i mean most tactics like absorb have a trigger time but why not run away? A internal cooldown like 3-5 sec is not unreasonable...

Run Away! is the strongest tactic in the game right now IMO.

The run speed should turn off on ability use, like every other run speed increaser in the game (save for flee).

Koha wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 6:08 pm

Spellbound wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:19 pm

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:13 pm

As logical answers are not allowed to be used as serious responses, the obvious answer is the magical powers of Gork and Mork.

Can we upgrade Order and Destro melee Charge to be unbreakable now to be equal to SH? Basically SH free ability is called, "Charge 3080 FTW3 Ultra".

1. WE have a tactic for +25% speed 10 sec unbreakable on fleet-footed (most ppl don't use it, even before Elixir of Shadows)

2. Concerning SH Run Away, don't forget that it includes a ''Challenge'' for free as well (-30% dmg). Most ppl forget to play it that way, except well known hardcore SH.