Return of Reckoning

TheEndsOfInvention wrote:

Azarael wrote:So bearing in mind that with the mass of bug reports I'm receiving, no new ability / tactic work is getting done, so the level cap can't be pushed... what exactly is it that you would propose doing?

Dropping the level cap to 19 means the loss of Raze for tanks, which is not something I'm very keen to see.

Disable group heals without moving the level cap? Can you do that?

Would you like some cookies with that? :3

I managed to complete the "This is WAR!" quest like 4 times just by doing SCs (so around 600 kills).

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The majority of healers arent 20 yet. Thats why you are still getting kills. When you do go up against 4 or more lvl 20 healers spamming gheal you need hdebuffs.

Whats wrong with this image?


Out healing by quite a margin other healers while dpsing. This is just using group heal every few abilities with 20% less effective heals, no points into heal mastery and no willpower gear except the few points on dps gear. When you have every healer specced healing spamming gheals and no heal debuff the meta is going to breakdown. If there was hdebuffs in that sc my heals would have done nothing. There are plenty of healers pumping out 200k heals. A few of them in an sc and there will be no kills.

Telen wrote:
Whats wrong with this image?

Destro only had 2 DPS classes, so they weren't able to get many kills.
Order had more DPS classes, but since destro had 8 healers, they weren't able to get many kills.

Seems pretty normal and logical to me. This is just a case of bad group composition.

EDIT:
The fact T1 was easy mode for RDPS with broken UI and relatively strong damage compared to heals wasn't a reason to recode all RDPSs. The fact that T2 is more like T4 with stronger heals isn't a reason to recode group heals.

AOE heal will be reduced to group eventually
Heal debuffs will be added in time

Enjoy the game!

Telen wrote:The majority of healers arent 20 yet. Thats why you are still getting kills. When you do go up against 4 or more lvl 20 healers spamming gheal you need hdebuffs.

Whats wrong with this image?


Out healing by quite a margin other healers while dpsing. This is just using group heal every few abilities with 20% less effective heals, no points into heal mastery and no willpower gear except the few points on dps gear. When you have every healer specced healing spamming gheals and no heal debuff the meta is going to breakdown. If there was hdebuffs in that sc my heals would have done nothing. There are plenty of healers pumping out 200k heals. A few of them in an sc and there will be no kills.

So you post a screenshot with 8 healers on destro side? LOL?

Also, this is off topic but didn't you just say you DON'T heal in the other thread? talk about mental truly.

If group heals are disabled....how do you think people will survive the "exploiting trash" Magi/Eng/Slayers/Choppas? Aoeing through walls aside, keep takes would be horrible with the level of aoe in t2. Should they disable AOE damage too?

Actually,

Should they just disable anything that kills you? Sounds like you should stick to T1 and continue rerolling dat AM.

On LIVE when you came up vs that many healers you got no kills so nothing new here really

Renork wrote:
Also, this is off topic but didn't you just say you DON'T heal in the other thread? talk about mental truly.

There is no reason to attack other players just because you disagree with them. I feel we are having a nice little discussion, try to keep it that way (no, i'm not a mod but this is how adults have conversations).

Penril wrote:
Destro only had 2 DPS classes, so they weren't able to get many kills.
Order had more DPS classes, but since destro had 8 healers, they weren't able to get many kills.

Seems pretty normal and logical to me. This is just a case of bad group composition.

Des had more kills than on that part of the board. They had 2 more dps further down.

You can see the difference in heal output though from the 20s. Even when specced fully dps and only using gheal when all dots running or when m2 was up.

Now if des had 8 lvl 20 healers. Even 3. Order would never have got any kills. That will be the norm in a few weeks.

I bet you 40g in a few weeks you'll be seeing spawncamp scs with one side with 4+ lvl 20 healers and the other with no kills regularly.

Renork wrote: Also, this is off topic but didn't you just say you DON'T heal in the other thread? talk about mental truly.

If group heals are disabled....how do you think people will survive the "exploiting trash" Magi/Eng/Slayers/Choppas? Aoeing through walls aside, keep takes would be horrible with the level of aoe in t2. Should they disable AOE damage too?

Actually,

Should they just disable anything that kills you? Sounds like you should stick to T1 and continue rerolling dat AM.

I dont usually heal. I just wanted to see what using gheal every 5th ability while fully dps and no willpower would get me.

Ill be fine on my am either way. My skill level is high enough that even in t4 I could out damage and db most good slayers or bws on a gimp class. I'll continue to wreck t2 solo. Only a small fraction of the playerbase are at that level though so its going to suck to be them when pres are running around with 4 lvl20 doks.