Return of Reckoning

Haojin wrote:Delete the game.

After you.

Just because you resent the game being balanced around 6v6 as opposed to your precious zergfest doesn't mean you get to plug your ears and pretend otherwise. Besides, a nerf to morale pump tactics wouldn't even impact your preferred method of 'playstyle' because you still will have ID faster than Order. And Order still wont have 35% extra crit all the time like all these destru biased players want to believe.

If you were to have 35% extra crit you would need Knight/SW/IB. How many 6-mans do you see running that comp? None. Why? Because 35% extra crit chance for classes that already do no damage is still no damage. It's like multiplying by zero.

from the man who brought you:

Haojin wrote:I'm not an SC farm type of guy

Razid1987 wrote:INQUISITORS (Rip?)

THEY'RE BACK!

Threads like this always bring the best out in people.

All the players who could of contributed to decent balance discussion quit the game.

Just relax and enjoy it while its still here.

P.S Always felt like we had more tools with the destro wb than order. #neverforgetMLGbadgas

Gachimuchi wrote:

Haojin wrote:Delete the game.

After you.

Just because you resent the game being balanced around 6v6 as opposed to your precious zergfest doesn't mean you get to plug your ears and pretend otherwise. Besides, a nerf to morale pump tactics wouldn't even impact your preferred method of 'playstyle' because you still will have ID faster than Order. And Order still wont have 35% extra crit all the time like all these destru biased players want to believe.

If you were to have 35% extra crit you would need Knight/SW/IB. How many 6-mans do you see running that comp? None. Why? Because 35% extra crit chance for classes that already do no damage is still no damage. It's like multiplying by zero.

from the man who brought you:

Haojin wrote:I'm not an SC farm type of guy

Now that you have had your chance to throw a dig back, I suggest you both take it to pms and don't carry it on in this thread, and sorry to burst your little bubble, but the game is not mainly balanced around 6v6, and if you think it is then you need to take another look at some balance discussions. The balancing starts at a minimum of a 6 party setup, and escalates into warband balancing. Inform yourself before you start yet another 6v6 against zerg post, better to not post them at all. Keep this thread clear of such things to avoid it from being locked. First and last warning.

Azarael wrote:The minimum number of players on each side that we will be considering within the balance forum is 6v6. This does not mean that 6v6 is our primary goal, as scenarios vary between 6v6, 12v12 and 18v18 and Open RvR can involve much greater numbers than that. It merely indicates that we are not interested in balancing the game for engagements involving fewer players than 6v6.

Zanilos wrote:P.S Always felt like we more tools destro wb than order. #neverforgetMLGbadgas

The best days. #Notkingsown

Zanilos wrote:P.S Always felt like we more tools destro wb than order. #neverforgetMLGbadgas

The best days. #Notkingsown[/quote]

Just read the thread properly. Please tell me people don't give a **** about what Haojin is saying?

If you don't agree with my post, simply debunk it. Did i say something like " Order is so OP, Destro needs care " anywhere ? and i could miss something which you can remind me.

I'll repeat the main notion of my post [it was just an example,can be more detailed]: "Destro [Fast Morale Gains + Offensive Support ] vs Order [Better Early Morale Bomb Potential + Defensive Support]

Offensive Support: Support if you gimp your class. [ 2Hander Chosen + 2Hander BG+ AoE SH + AoE Marauder]
Defensive Support: Support without gimping your class. [SnB Knight with crit buff + SnB SM with Whispering Winds]

Zanilos wrote:
Just read the thread properly. Please tell me people don't give a **** about what Haojin is saying?

I think such a rude statement is pretty audacious of you, given that Haojun is still playing and rallying Destro players on a regular basis. Sorry to sidetrack, but had to point this out.

Reesh wrote:
And the bad gas squig case, since couple of strong arguments mentioned shatter limbs. It's dps isn't bad when itemized properly and good itemization is a must. Also proper renown point speccing. If an SH goes out into wb by just respeccing then well, it's damage is going to be bad. And bad gas squigs are REQUIRED, so I'm literally laughing when I don't see them in organized warbands. Run two of them at least and you'll see the difference.
Positioning of using bad gas is key, one tool helps with it - using sticky squigz to knock yourself onto the healer line through any tank, mdps blob. Slayer doesn't have access to such trick and is inflicted upon body blocking.

That will be all for now.

Hello, did you play melee SH at organised wb orvr, zerg vs zerg?

peterthepan3 wrote:

Zanilos wrote:
Just read the thread properly. Please tell me people don't give a **** about what Haojin is saying?

I think such a rude statement is pretty audacious of you, given that Haojun is still playing and rallying Destro players on a regular basis. Sorry to sidetrack, but had to point this out.

The only thing audacious is that you are still allowed here?!? <MIND-BLOWN>

@Haojin, I'm trying to gear my Mage for raid, so I can't really take all your points and break them down one-by-one. Not enough time.
Just some tips. Find some better Mara players who make the spec work, that understand that being alive and layering dots, stripping morale, is more important than the kill feed. Try to find some Sorcs that can play unguarded at 100foot. If you don't think you can? Don't continue to read.

Then find a couple of BOs that appreciate, Youz see me blok dat, Something you have completely missed is that BO build Morale like a **********. Pair that up M4. Try it. If you can't try it, get better BOs. Don't put so much focus around Chosens. @Razid1987

Bad gas works. Works very well. Get 2. Then as WB leader call it, tell 1 guy he is number 1. the other number 2. Call the gas at intervals. 65ft range means you can do some crazy **** with self punt to get into the back. I think Reesh used it in our WBs and a guy from Chlopi, can't remember his name.

Ban AOE punts. Fight some people work out who is guarding who. Focus the damage. Focus the knockbacks.

Use MDPS dok. Ask @Ade for help. Used him in WBs a couple of times, nice player.

Also, you forgot WP morale dump. Casually forgot the DPS zealot/dok from destro groups, oh and forgot to mention the AOE wounds debuffs from either side when building groups.

Zanilos wrote:
@Haojin, I'm trying to gear my Mage for raid, so I can't really take all your points and break them down one-by-one. Not enough time.
Just some tips. Find some better Mara players who make the spec work, that understand that being alive and layering dots, stripping morale, is more important than the kill feed. Try to find some Sorcs that can play unguarded at 100foot. If you don't think you can? Don't continue to read.

Then find a couple of BOs that appreciate, Youz see me blok dat, Something you have completely missed is that BO build Morale like a **********. Pair that up M4. Try it. If you can't try it, get better BOs. Don't put so much focus around Chosens. @Razid1987

Bad gas works. Works very well. Get 2. Then as WB leader call it, tell 1 guy he is number 1. the other number 2. Call the gas at intervals. 65ft range means you can do some crazy **** with self punt to get into the back. I think Reesh used it in our WBs and a guy from Chlopi, can't remember his name.

Ban AOE punts. Fight some people work out who is guarding who. Focus the damage. Focus the knockbacks.

Use MDPS dok. Ask @Ade for help. Used him in WBs a couple of times, nice player.

Also, you forgot WP morale dump. Casually forgot the DPS zealot/dok from destro groups, oh and forgot to mention the AOE wounds debuffs from either side when building groups.

We allready know all these things. DPS Zealot doesn't have the same aplication as a dps RP since you don't get the crit buffs that order have acess to means it's a massive irrelaibillty. It's better to just run a Chosen for this purpse and get the static 25% healdebuff. (Especially since the crit from gear is pretty low atm)

I do dps test on all clases we run in our warband consistantly and the differencee between a Bad Gas Squigs and Morale Drain Marauder compared to Sorcs and even Choppas are so high that you can't run 4 of em. You start loosing way to much dps and become even more dependant on morale dumps.

It's not really true what you're saying either. Destro don't have more tools to play with. And moast of em are worse options then order counterparts aswell the only difference being the morale modifactions that Destro can do and that their spread out over more classes compared to Order who got pretty much all their stuff in 2 tanks, 3 dps and 2 healers. (3 if you count AM Morale pump)