Return of Reckoning

just a heads up: thanks to all for the civil and constructive discussion

Tiggo wrote: and you forgot that premades cant play against solo pugs anymore.

idk, 2-3 players who want to play together vs pugs habe found a way to do so.
i often see the exact same rdps-tank-heal combo in over 3 SCs in a row and they always dominated the battle.
maybe it was pure coincidence that this 3 landed in the same SC for a couple times (i don't believe that) but duo/triple premade queing exists did it?

thats one small parts why random SCs are mostly no fun at all

amputationsaw wrote:

Tiggo wrote: and you forgot that premades cant play against solo pugs anymore.

idk, 2-3 players who want to play together vs pugs habe found a way to do so.
i often see the exact same rdps-tank-heal combo in over 3 SCs in a row and they always dominated the battle.
maybe it was pure coincidence that this 3 landed in the same SC for a couple times (i don't believe that) but duo/triple premade queing exists did it?

thats one small parts why random SCs are mostly no fun at all

Dou queue is allowed. If you think there is premade of 3,take ss and report to GM.
PUG sc's are important because you can see how important is to play in group. One good thing from PUG scenarios.

Have to agree with the aforementioned regarding certain people's blatant animosity, and lack of impartiality, towards certain groups/players, and that this has had a profound effect on competitive PvP.

It has had an impact on group play, only a few bother playing - much less, seriously - with a lot of serious players having been dissuaded from playing further due to this anti-premade/group, pro-pug/bad play agenda, put into force by one or two individuals. I would advocate having people that only work with group play in mind, should we wish to see a resurgence in dwindling numbers.

Probably too late, but nothing is ever set in stone.

@amputation: duos are allowed to queue. Is it hard to fathom a duo and a guildie both queuing pug sc, with no intent of imbalancing the sc, and only one pug sc popping at that given time (especially when we consider fluctuating population)? Baffling.

peterthepan3 wrote:Have to agree with the aforementioned regarding certain people's blatant animosity, and lack of impartiality, towards certain groups/players, and that this has had a profound effect on competitive PvP.g.

And i have to call bullshit on that.

Come on, people doesnt forget that easily and the posts are still on the forums, dont try to pull this **** now, the 6vs6 competitive side didnt die because of that.

The mere thought of your scene dieing because you lost a 6 man group should tell you that maybe, there is bigger problems than that.

bloodi wrote:

peterthepan3 wrote:Have to agree with the aforementioned regarding certain people's blatant animosity, and lack of impartiality, towards certain groups/players, and that this has had a profound effect on competitive PvP.g.

And i have to call bullshit on that.

Come on, people doesnt forget that easily and the posts are still on the forums, dont try to pull this **** now, the 6vs6 competitive side didnt die because of that.

The mere thought of your scene dieing because you lost a 6 man group should tell you that maybe, there is bigger problems than that.

1) Of course you would call bullshit as you yourself are of that ilk, i.e. salty, anti-premade, as is more than obvious if one were to scroll your posts.

2) You would call bullshit because you (and this is an important one) don't partake in competitive PvP. You solo queue scenarios, and (from what I have seen) spend the better part of your time dying/being outplayed. This isn't an insult, just an observation, which begs me to postulate how you would know the in's and out's of the premade scene, and/or any concerns (raised by individuals) of being treated with a particular agenda - from your stance as a solo player.

3) I didn't blame the death of the 6v6 community to this (semantics are important, as is reading comprehension). I said that it has had "a profound effect on competitive PvP" - not the sole cause of. People have felt as if they, or others, have been treated unfairly, and have left. People have felt that competitive PvP took a backseat and was ignored, in the pursuit of a pug-friendly, family friendly agenda - and left. This doesn't speak for everyone, but I am telling you why this is the case, after having spoken to, and played against, many different premades over the past year and a half. You can take it or leave it.

4) It wasn't just one group that was lost, but, again, you wouldn't know that from solo queuing scenarios/using the forums as your only source of information. The loss of that one group has had repercussions on competitive PvP yet, for some reason, I can't see you having any sympathy towards this

This thread has ran its course. Locking.