Return of Reckoning

You don't hit anyone for 4k after mitigation without some damage increase buff e.g. near your warcamp, so 2k guard damage is not to be seen.
Like everything you mention about guard is wrong and not how it works.
Let's imagine for a second that you indeed deal so much damage, then...
" If I hit a sorc for 4k I should hit a sorc after guard for 2k and the 2k damage should be hitting the tank 1 to 1 unless your block or parry the guard damage. "
...is exactly how guard works.
The perceived higher damage reduction you notice has other reasons.
The damage difference between a critical hit and a non-crit is huge for sorc/be due to their high crit dmg bonus. It seems you compare a crit with a non-crit after guard. Absorb on your target further reduces the damage and removes the chance to critical hit.

CyunUnderis wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:07 pm

Rewarc wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:58 pm Kill condition? You mean the 3 seconds I have if I punt the tank away? The 4 second stun I can use every 40 seconds on the enemy healer? Like what kill condition are we talking about in a 6v6 scenario with two 2/2/2 premade groups? The same applies for warband fights.. You know why everyone complains about slayer? Because after nerfing morals its the only class in the game that has consistent undefendable damage! Slayer is a walking moral dumb without actually using morals if that makes sense.

Anyway's long story short what you said makes no sense and honestly its makes you look kind off stupid because there is no suggestions on how to improve those "kill conditions". You comment adds nothing to this debate besides an empty argument you didn't even back up with an explanation on how to improve!

So how can you explain that some teams can make a lot of kills in 6v6, through guard or by using KD/punt combo ? If what you said is the truth, it should not be possible, isn't it ?
And it is not like there is other composition (for example 1/3/2) that can punt the target instead of the tank to get the frag. Of course, guard is a strong skill, but it has its limits (range, 1.5 sc GCD swap, ...).

Rewarc wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 4:24 pm I appreciate the try but I was again not talking about special scenarios I was talking about what happens about 90% of the time in the game.

Rewarc wrote: Sun Jul 17, 2022 3:39 pm

It's sad I love this game but everything I explained makes the game almost unplayable for me. It's just not fun to hit someone you know you can't kill anyways in the next 20 mins unless the enemy healer falls asleep or the tank becomes bored standing in one place..

So you are saying you feel like a tank hitting anything in this game? Maybe I'll kill it in 20 minutes or maybe I won't.

You ever play a tank, really play one?

You ever heal a tank?

I can assure you a red slayer can slaughter a tank through guard damage. Nothing like melting to a mob beating on an enraged slayer your guarding I assure you. Look at combat logs and see how many times a tank dies to guard damage.

flux wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:58 pm Remove all pulls, remove rampage, mirror ID and remove apothecary and all vendor pots. That will make many buffs synergize and redundant skills used again.