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Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:27 pm
by Jaycub
So if "Dat was Great" get changed to stack with abilities, as I understand tactics are supposed to? How would you guys feel about this tactic?
It's just over 100 toughness debuff now, combined with out stat steal at 111 you could debuff a targets toughness by over 200.
And does anyone know how tactics that debuff the same thing but come from a different class stack? For instance the shaman toughness debuff tactic.
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 12:53 pm
by TenTonHammer
i don think tactic + tactic stack
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:09 pm
by akkzilla
Do BO's have access to Big Swing and Shut Yer Face yet? I'm at R34 and don't see either of these abilities in my tab to use.
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:10 pm
by Penril
akkzilla wrote:Do BO's have access to Big Swing and Shut Yer Face yet? I'm at R34 and don't see either of these abilities in my tab to use.
Big Swing you get at 35. Shut yer face at 40.
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:18 pm
by Gobtar
From what I know, tactics that improve an ability do not stact with other abilities. Tactics that just trigger or have a static effect stack with other tactic effects.
In your example "Dat was great" modifies "Wot Armor?" which means it no longer is a "tactic effect" and is an ability effect, which should not stack with any other ability. Shaman's ability is likewise tied to brain buster.
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:25 pm
by TenTonHammer
except i talked to az some days back and he stated to be that the tough debuff from brain busta stacks with globals and stuff
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:32 pm
by Gobtar
TenTonHammer wrote:except i talked to az some days back and he stated to be that the tough debuff from brain busta stacks with globals and stuff
Well that's a little dumb...this really goes against the precedent.
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:48 pm
by TenTonHammer
Yeah and abilities even ST ones like WAAAAAAGH dont stack with globals but WoH does
seriously though can some one here post about this tactic on the bug tracker as a confirmation request that the debuff is not stacking and if it should be stacking?
I think if it did stack then DWG could be an interesting tactic to use
Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:53 pm
by Penril
TenTonHammer wrote:Yeah and abilities even ST ones like WAAAAAAGH dont stack with globals but WoH does
seriously though can some one here post about this tactic on the bug tracker as a confirmation request that the debuff is not stacking and if it should be stacking?
I think if it did stack then DWG could be an interesting tactic to use
Client has some weird rules for what stacks and what doesn't. It is not as simple as "tactics stack with skills"; there are several exceptions to this. And in the end the client is always right unfortunately.
Learnt this the hard way the other day talking with Aza about other skills that imho should stack. Client disagreed with me

Re: [Black Orc] Talk bout da builds ere.
Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:54 pm
by Dreadspectre
Here's a question on stacking:
If two abilities don't stack, but the weaker one is already applied to the target, will the stronger one be ignored because it already has a debuff or will it override the weaker one?