Return of Reckoning

Rapzel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:56 pm
So what you're saying is that you should be allowed to kill every career in a 1vs1 because bright wizard has a self damage mechanic?

If shaman's this amazing burst career how come we don't see DPS shaman bomb bands, while we continue to see bw bomb bands?

How come BW constantly places in the top ranged damage done in cities if their damage is underwhelming?

Let me help. BW bomb bands and BW top dps in cities exists because they are good at aoe damage. This isn't what this topic was lamenting, though admittedly it's badly and perhaps provocatively presented it's point. Intentionally perhaps, to gain attention? It was certainly successful if so.

Anyway, is about single how target damage for the BW being underwhelming if compared to that of AM/Sham or Engi/Magus. It can clearly contend with theirs, don't get me wrong - but they don't need to pay the hefty price of backlash for it and have other advantages and utilities that the BW does not have. You can disagree, but it is certainly not a ridiculous position to take.

Rapzel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:56 pm

Nishka wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:38 pm
Did you just quote the message without reading it?

So what you're saying is that you should be allowed to kill every career in a 1vs1 because bright wizard has a self damage mechanic?

If shaman's this amazing burst career how come we don't see DPS shaman bomb bands, while we continue to see bw bomb bands?

How come BW constantly places in the top ranged damage done in cities if their damage is underwhelming?

Please, read the message before replying. Thank you.

ScumFM wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:34 pm

Rapzel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:56 pm
So what you're saying is that you should be allowed to kill every career in a 1vs1 because bright wizard has a self damage mechanic?

If shaman's this amazing burst career how come we don't see DPS shaman bomb bands, while we continue to see bw bomb bands?

How come BW constantly places in the top ranged damage done in cities if their damage is underwhelming?

Let me help. BW bomb bands and BW top dps in cities exists because they are good at aoe damage. This isn't what this topic was lamenting, though admittedly it's badly and perhaps provocatively presented it's point. Intentionally perhaps, to gain attention? It was certainly successful if so.

Anyway, is about single how target damage for the BW being underwhelming if compared to that of AM/Sham or Engi/Magus. It can clearly contend with theirs, don't get me wrong - but they don't need to pay the hefty price of backlash for it and have other advantages and utilities that the BW does not have. You can disagree, but it is certainly not a ridiculous position to take.

That's pretty much sums up what I've been trying to say. BW's single target dps feels underwhelming not because it's low, but because other classes, mostly those who were somehow reworked in RoR, can deliver the similar, same or even bigger damage without paying the price of being squishy af, killing yourself and lacking almost any cc.

i play glass cannon 100% dps

ScumFM wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:34 pm

Rapzel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:56 pm
So what you're saying is that you should be allowed to kill every career in a 1vs1 because bright wizard has a self damage mechanic?

If shaman's this amazing burst career how come we don't see DPS shaman bomb bands, while we continue to see bw bomb bands?

How come BW constantly places in the top ranged damage done in cities if their damage is underwhelming?

Let me help. BW bomb bands and BW top dps in cities exists because they are good at aoe damage. This isn't what this topic was lamenting, though admittedly it's badly and perhaps provocatively presented it's point. Intentionally perhaps, to gain attention? It was certainly successful if so.

Anyway, is about single how target damage for the BW being underwhelming if compared to that of AM/Sham or Engi/Magus. It can clearly contend with theirs, don't get me wrong - but they don't need to pay the hefty price of backlash for it and have other advantages and utilities that the BW does not have. You can disagree, but it is certainly not a ridiculous position to take.

And just why do you think this is?
Sorc has the exact same mechanic bit never reaches BW amount of damage, but instead has higher single target.
It would be more rational to compare BW with sorc, but OP has decided to compare two careers that both have access to ranged elemental damage spells. Are we going to compare WL and BG next because both deal physical damage with a 2H?
Why does BG have a slower build up for it's burst than WL, isn't that also unfair?
Maybe the game has been balanced around every career not being great at every aspect of the game but instead having specialisations.

It's even more hilarious when OP has posted one picture where he gets hit for 1k from a spell that requires several seconds to build up to release it's burst and doesn't provide timestamps in the log, now as I'd that is not enough several BW players show up in the thread and state that BW has a higher burst, with SS being provided.

What's even more fun is that a whole army of Order priders show up in this thread and talk about "destro tears" when the DPS AM does more damage than shaman.
Because apparently it's a one way balance that needs to be done according to high quality threads like this, buff order, nerf destro.

Every career is not equal in every setting.

Someone died in RvR

/thread

Nishka wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 3:49 pm
That's pretty much sums up what I've been trying to say. BW's single target dps feels underwhelming not because it's low, but because other classes, mostly those who were somehow reworked in RoR, can deliver the similar, same or even bigger damage without paying the price of being squishy af, killing yourself and lacking almost any cc.

Quit lying in order to make a point.
You are dealing significantly more ST burst dmg than them and on aoe it's not even a competition.
That player hits you so high, because you have virtually no resists after debuffs. For this reason there are group resist buffs.
You continue to compare classes on a solo basis and they are lacking important buffs in order to be balanced.
You lose, because you are meant to lose in this setup and there is nothing wrong with it.
You only slight chance is to have full mechanic at the start of the engagement with a lot of crits and a well timed silence.
You are exceptionally well in a roaming grp or in warbands, the price is being quite weak alone.

keep it up
haha xDD

Rapzel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:23 pm
It's even more hilarious when OP has posted one picture where he gets hit for 1k from a spell that requires several seconds to build up to release it's burst and doesn't provide timestamps in the log, now as I'd that is not enough several BW players show up in the thread and state that BW has a higher burst, with SS being provided.

True, it's fail to post logs without timestamps. Apparently people don't know how to turn them on after many years. On a different note, albeit I agree with your post in general, I'd like to correct you on the build up times. The hits are per second from channel cast, so instant first hit and then like 3 more hits in 3 sec.
The thing is, the mitigation values alone tell anyone, apart from OP, that the dmg would be a lot lower with proper buffs. With toughness debuff added the OP would most likely get unmitigated dmg.

Sulorie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:50 pm

Rapzel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 5:23 pm
It's even more hilarious when OP has posted one picture where he gets hit for 1k from a spell that requires several seconds to build up to release it's burst and doesn't provide timestamps in the log, now as I'd that is not enough several BW players show up in the thread and state that BW has a higher burst, with SS being provided.

True, it's fail to post logs without timestamps. Apparently people don't know how to turn them on after many years. On a different note, albeit I agree with your post in general, I'd like to correct you on the build up times. The hits are per second from channel cast, so instant first hit and then like 3 more hits in 3 sec.
The thing is, the mitigation values alone tell anyone, apart from OP, that the dmg would be a lot lower with proper buffs. With toughness debuff added the OP would most likely get unmitigated dmg.

What I mean is that you need to build up Gork's to make it do spicy damage, which takes time.