Return of Reckoning

Rapzel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:12 pm https://www.twitch.tv/gravord/clip/Pric ... Y8Yy7eqF3v

sorc super bad ST.

That's the source for balance decisions?

I just checked the full video, but the Slayer is most definitely showing Sorc debuffs on his buffhead, meaning that during the big wombo combo Sorc OP nukerino he had zero Sorc debuffs on him. Nothing. No Chillwind, no WoP, no Vision of Torment, etc. Consider this one debunked.

But yeah, always saddening to see things like this presented with the fullest confidence. I really do fear that nonsense like this presented in the most biased manner is what drives certain decisions. People are pushing their ideas without much knowledge of the game, or they are simply disingenuous.

ufthakk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:57 pm

Rapzel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:12 pm https://www.twitch.tv/gravord/clip/Pric ... Y8Yy7eqF3v

sorc super bad ST.

That's the source for balance decisions?

No, of course not.

And a bug fix isn't a balance decision.

dalen wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:09 pm

ufthakk wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:57 pm

Rapzel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:12 pm https://www.twitch.tv/gravord/clip/Pric ... Y8Yy7eqF3v

sorc super bad ST.

That's the source for balance decisions?

No, of course not.

And a bug fix isn't a balance decision.

Kinda depends on how long the bug was in the game and how well known it was. But whatever, i don't play sorc

Caduceus wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:05 pm I just checked the full video, but the Slayer is most definitely showing Sorc debuffs on his buffhead, meaning that during the big wombo combo Sorc OP nukerino he had zero Sorc debuffs on him. Nothing. No Chillwind, no WoP, no Vision of Torment, etc. Consider this one debunked.

But yeah, always saddening to see things like this presented with the fullest confidence. I really do fear that nonsense like this presented in the most biased manner is what drives certain decisions. People are pushing their ideas without much knowledge of the game, or they are simply disingenuous.

Sorc and BW has the highest single target burst rotations in the game, stop being disingenuous about the bad ST DPS Sorc.

Amazing change for Oil! Bashed my head against that wall for months! Now oil can be dropped strategically instead of for 4 kills. Well done devs.

https://www.twitch.tv/gravord/clip/Pric ... Y8Yy7eqF3v

Damage ticks seem to be:

-377
-1404 (crit)
-516
-1545 (crit)
-1027
-576 (crit)
-45 (self damage)
-169
-45 (self damage)
-477
-136
-395
-136
-419
-551

On a Slayer with: full rage, no guard, staggered healers, 750 heal debuff. I'm not sure if/how the -50% armour/resistances and Tzeentch's Talon stack, but if so just how much mitigation did he have left? Looks like Tzeentch's Talon applied late in the burst. We also know it wasn't 100% the Sorc because the Chosen was also clearly on him too and got the killing blow.

If that's not supposed to kill someone then what the hell is?

Rapzel wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:22 pm

Sorc and BW has the highest single target burst rotations in the game, stop being disingenuous about the bad ST DPS Sorc.

It's one of the weakest classes in its ST role. High burst rotations on target dummies do not fix that, because players are not target dummies and will actively interfere. Sorc/BW burst is heavily telegraphed and easily countered. Sorc/BW is easily caught and shut down. There's nothing disingenuous about stating that practical reality.

Just a few of my own thourghts about the resist debuff stacking..

In the sorc vs Bw debate, sorc would clearly benefit the most from if both classes continued to have acces to their resist-debuff tactic stacking with abilities like Resist debuff aura, simply because so much of the sorc timestamp is funneled into spirit-type and BW has more of a 60/40 split between corp and elemental.

I will not try to be the judge over if both classes should have had this tactic stacking with auras, or if both should not stack. But the fact that one side had this benefit while also having realm-accesability to Zealot m1 did create a pretty big difference in the potential, not only for what a solo sorc could do, but also what a sorc could do in a coordinated enviroment.

Now I might be wrong here, but when svarz's group on his sorc has insane W/L ration in group-ranked they, dont really run resist debuff stacking. So sorcs without this will probably still be alright, with the raw sprit timestamp.
BWs with flashfire fireballs might slowly start climbing as long as they can avoid facing the decent RSHs in ranked. if ranked results and leaderboards are to be used for any metric of "performance".

I didnt really bother or care if both classes would get the "sorc stacking" or both loose the this potential. Sorc still have a more combined resist type in their timestamp with their spirit selfdebuff and potential for Talon from Zealot m1s. But both classes should probably be on the same page when it comes to resist debuff stacking regardless of how the devs wanted to tackle this, now if this was the correct way over giving the BW ignition same stacking prepatch, time will tell.

What do you do with the Rune Rock the final rewards of the event?
Is it just a rock? lol