Return of Reckoning

I don't know if this has been suggested already, but here I go:

I would like a scenario that you simply can not join with a group. T3 Scens are getting very frustrating for me, as every evening just ends by me (order) joining with a bunch of other pug people only to be put up against critical acclaim and the likes.

There is no point in trying to accomplish anything once that happens. I understand that they want to play scens as well, but I would also like to believe that strong premades take no pleasure in farming low level pugs, as that is neither challenging nor rewarding (most of them are already fully equipped and on rr40).

Therefore I would like to suggest making battle for praag pug only (as most premades dislike this scenario anyways). As it stands now, there is nothing but frustion to be had for me (and I assume many others) when joining scenarios.

Thank you for considering this.

BFP is bad as a pug SC because there is only one order for capturing flags. Therefore, if one side is clearly superior to the other one, it will most likely end in a spawn camp.

I would prefer Khaine's Embrace as a pug SC. Even if your enemies are stomping you, there are 3 different paths to the enemy flag and you can still win if someone in your group manages to ninja the objective.

You're quite correct, the most fun is not when we, excuse my French, roflstomp the opponent, but more when we are up against other premades that are around our level of play, there are quite a few of those around, we're certainly not the best guild on the server.

Personally, as a premade-player, i understand the frustration as i tend to pug aswell quite often So i'd be for this. Maybe Caledor Woods II ?

groups already are matched against other groups. it would help if caledor woods would pop before other scs when other groups have queued it though so there is a higher chance premades play 6vs6 against each other and pugs play alone.

As far as I understood the patchnotes back when it got implemented, when you join caledor woods alone, it would be PUG only. But tbh I never had Caledor pop for me when I queued solo, and 6v6 it also never pops for us unless we ask a destro premade to queue with us

I for one would like Khains Embrace as well

Sighan wrote:As far as I understood the patchnotes back when it got implemented, when you join caledor woods alone, it would be PUG only. But tbh I never had Caledor pop for me when I queued solo, and 6v6 it also never pops for us unless we ask a destro premade to queue with us

I for one would like Khains Embrace as well

Yeah, I don't know what's up with Caledor Woods. Either nobody queues for it, or other scenarios somehow take priority.

I can count the number of times I've played CW on one hand, despite the fact that I queue exclusively for BFP and CW when I play my AM nowadays.

Penril wrote:BFP is bad as a pug SC because there is only one order for capturing flags. Therefore, if one side is clearly superior to the other one, it will most likely end in a spawn camp.

I would prefer Khaine's Embrace as a pug SC. Even if your enemies are stomping you, there are 3 different paths to the enemy flag and you can still win if someone in your group manages to ninja the objective.

I agree with Penril Khaines Embrace would be best as a Pug sc. As I only solo scs I have seen almost always its me + pugs against premade only and its not fun for either premades or pugs when this happens alot. And also joining as a solo dps the wait time in tier 3 Order is painful to say the least.

geezereur wrote:

Penril wrote:BFP is bad as a pug SC because there is only one order for capturing flags. Therefore, if one side is clearly superior to the other one, it will most likely end in a spawn camp.

I would prefer Khaine's Embrace as a pug SC. Even if your enemies are stomping you, there are 3 different paths to the enemy flag and you can still win if someone in your group manages to ninja the objective.

I agree with Penril Khaines Embrace would be best as a Pug sc. As I only solo scs I have seen almost always its me + pugs against premade only and its not fun for either premades or pugs when this happens alot. And also joining as a solo dps the wait time in tier 3 Order is painful to say the least.

im really looking forward what excuses people use when they lose in the pug only scs ^^ (prbly: "premades sneek into pug only sc with synced solo queue" or "people use mice with more then two buttons" or "alls Monitors bigger then 20" should be forbidden".)

Think KE had issues with the design of dest spawn. A ranged setup on order had such a strong position with los on top of the initial slope.

Dest never figured out how to exit further up

When you pug just take your own performance as an indicator not if you lose to premades. Win or lose if you did well thats ok just keep getting better. Ive seen the best premades absolutely trashed when the stars align and the best pug players end up together.