Return of Reckoning

hey guys i know its not legit and meta, but was wondering, wich would do most dmg of the Chosen and Black orc ??

other then that, can both do dmg as 1H shield ? i remember back in days on live someday 1Hshield chosen was meta and op as **** ? how does the BO compare in dmg ?

Bo can do way more pure dps then a chosen. Look up the shut yer face vids on youtube. At 40 they were able to get crits in the 3000s.

Of course thats going full squish but even with a 1h and shield could still pump out a lot of dps without being to squishy.

yeah i watched some of his vids, but isnt that guy rr100 ?

plus he dont look like one who suffer much dmg,, seen him vs 4.. and he keeps himself up

nydig wrote:Bo can do way more pure dps then a chosen. Look up the shut yer face vids on youtube. At 40 they were able to get crits in the 3000s.

Of course thats going full squish but even with a 1h and shield could still pump out a lot of dps without being to squishy.

Yeah as far as damage output goes, BO will out damage a chosen forsure! BO is equiv to an SM which is the "squishiest" of the tanks IMO but the highest damage output on both sides (SM/BO).

I am not personally a BO, but am a Chosen/Knight/SM and feel I have a good grasp on atleast the mirror class of the BO to say that generally speaking A BO will out damage a Chosen but at the cost of ALOT of tankiness as well as group utility.

On my SM, I went SNB and STILL do more damage than 2H Knight/Chosen however the auras they provide along with Chosen getting access to Rending Blade - undefendable AoE 5 sec CD Spirit Damager - that can proc Crip Strikes (25% damage reduction for 10 seconds) is HUUUGE. Also Chosen get Supression which means when I run around in SCs I have 55%+ Parry chance, combined with Spirit damage, resist buff/debuff, STR buff/debuff and toughness buff/debuff, my damage hurts...

I personally feel the best 2H tank is a Chosen. At the end of the day ANY tank is not doing their job if they are not guarding someone. Doesnt matter if you are the #1 DPS tank in the game, your MOST effective role is going to be to find a melee DPS, guard them, make a macro that says /assist (insert their name) and SPAM that while you are doing ANYTHING. Your damage (even if mediocre) combined with a decent MDPS will rip through someone - especially a Mara with armor + heal debuff on a target.

So the way I approach tanking is that I need to be tanky first, group benefits second, and then if I add some damage ontop of that, GREAT!

A BO who is not guarding and adds zero group utility besides maybe stolen stats will be worthless. The Mara armor debuff (from what I know) is stronger than BOs and I dont think they stack (correct me if I am wrong). So if your gonna roll a tank to NOT guard, DONT. Roll a Mara or Choppa instead.

If you accept the fact that ALLL EVERY ALLL tanks should be guarding someone, and guard in a SHORT range, youll need to /assist and then you will be eating a faceload of damage and are better off going defensive with uber high block and/or parry.


For those reasons, IMO, Chosen > BO. You can do decent damage, have amazing utility, and still be extremely tanky. BOs require more attention from healers, and are basically a "wanna be" MDPS class without some of the benefits of MDPS (like Charge).

When I play a healer, ranged DPS, or MDPS class, I would tank a SNB/Defensive Tank 10 times out of 10 when in an SC.

If you are STILL contemplating a BO DPS Tank, I would suggest you roll a Sorc/Choppa/Mara SEE their damage output and realize that keeping them alive longer and thus boosting their damage, is a BIGGER net gain than boosting your own damage on your tank. A free casting Sorc will kill 9 of 10 players (that 1 of 10 being some douche AM or WP). Or a guarded MDPS will be able to push the back line, put out crazy damage against a caster/healer to the point they will wipe the entire group from so much pressure.

Not to mention how easy it is to HoT two people (you + guard-ee) rather than SPAM big heals on 1 unguarded MDPS player who just dies in 2 seconds...

boomcat wrote:yeah i watched some of his vids, but isnt that guy rr100 ?

plus he dont look like one who suffer much dmg,, seen him vs 4.. and he keeps himself up

Ignore the Video. yes- guy is RR100 and is using broken gear the DEVs explained will NEVER see the light of day in this game. Most of the kills were also against lowbies.

There is also a Chosen vid of RR80 where he is getting white crits hits + Rending Blade crits in 1 second totalling about 2.5-3k damage, but again. not this game....

I personally feel if you are asking "what tank does the most damage" then you are looking at the wrong class IMO because it misses the entire purpose of the class. Almost like asking "what healer can do the most damage" but maybe worse.... As with a healer, even specced DPS< can still heal allies. Most DPS Tanks, NEVER guard allies nor stay in range even when guarded meaning they are literally just a "tanky" semi-DPS class.

If you want that, just roll a Mara and stack armor talis or something... Youll have close to the same armor and do more damage and more utility.... and maybe youll be lucky and get a real tank to guard you

i see.. the chosen sounds very appealing, but a BO who use 2H, can he still be semi tank ?? and not go glasscannon ? or would a BO do better as dmg build with 1H+shield ?

think i was playing 2H chosen back on live, but it was at launch never played greenskins

i would always use Guard even with dps spec as tank i did so on live back with 2H chosen

im just curious wich race would do best "dmg" as tank im not aiming for top dmg dealer just personal feeling to tank and rek some orders

Go with Chosen, you will thank me later.

boomcat wrote:i would always use Guard even with dps spec as tank i did so on live back with 2H chosen

im just curious wich race would do best "dmg" as tank im not aiming for top dmg dealer just personal feeling to tank and rek some orders

Ill just add one last comment to my two post rant, sorry but I feel strongly about it.

How I play my 2H chosen - because I do like to feel I contribute via damage and like to be able to actually kill things.

That said, I find a MDPS class - Mara/Choppa/DoK even. And I /tell them when I get in the SC "Guarding you" so they know who is guarding them and hopefully try to stay near me.

I then open my Macros and have several /assist and I type their name in.

I then mark them with my UI that shows a big "G" on their name and I make sure I follow them everywhere spamming /assist macro literally about onces per second to ensure ALL my damage is going on their target.

I have Supression nerf buttoned to be the FIRST thing on all of my buttons so I have it up 100% of the time and my renown ranks are specced into full Parry + Skaven Parry ring and dodge/disrupt and I did throw 10 points into cleansing Winds.

I use my gear to stack up STR which I have a Decent amount of, but not at the loss of HP/Toughness.

I run the toughness tactic + Crip Strikes + the 15% crit one (to proc crip strikes).

And thats it. Thats my job. Yes its a 2H tank and I believe adds some real value to the group. Its hard to FF me down due to high armor/parry/disrupt/dodge AND if I get too focused cleansing Winds is my escape plan.

Since you deal mostly Spirit damage, you dont need to worry much about weapon Skill. I just stack Wounds so that I have ATLEAST 6k HP, Toughness I try and keep atleast around 500 in T3, then rest in STR - which I wanna say im over 600, maybe 650?

My Chosen looks bad ass, gives the group resists/STR/Toughness and debuffs enemy STR/resists/toughness and damage via crip strikes and I am a BEAST to kill if a mildly competent healer glances at me every now and then.... and because I am keeping MDPS alive longer, stuff MELTS.

Now what I DONT see are: 1k+ Crits or tons of Death blows in SCs. But I do occasionally land in the top of the pack for DPS just because I am so tanky and have such good sustain damage and rarely get bursted down which means constant pressure and I probably ADD double to TRIPLE some lucky MDPS guy who gets my guard (as opposed to not having it and dying in 2 seconds)... Which all you really need are 2 tanks doing this to 2 MDPS with 2 healers keeping them up and its basically a win in any SC unless the other team is a full premade or something.

So I guess again, "most damage" is different depending on who you talk to. Because I see the Tank's PRIMARY roll as guarding. So if your question is THEN "Who can do the most damage while actually guarding someone" Probably the Chosen.... Because the DPS 2H BO will die in 2 seconds with their MDPS who died with them in 2 seconds from them both being squishy..... Where as the Chosen can do his primary roll of tank and THEN add some utility DPS....

Actually there was 3 vids made and only the last 1 was at rr100 the other 2 i believe were before the rr100 patch even came out but yes i agree chosen is better but again for just a dmg stand point bo is better.