Return of Reckoning

Hey, this thread is about listing underperforming tactics of all classes without going detailed. Normally i should make a proposal of each tactic but simply i don't have that time or energy to design new tactic. If someone feels to make a proposal, this thread will be your best friend for brainstorm. Feel free to open "Underperforming Abilities" or "Underperforming Morales" too. Starting like this :

ps1: some tactics designed for low levels and pve, even with that they are kinda useless due to other avaliable tactics.
ps2: please don't start nerfplsty shitstorm.
ps3: please keep it short and simple if you disagree.
ps4: i'll merge your posts with mine if you follow the same template.
ps5: spec-able tree tactics will be colored.


DESTRUCTION:

MARAUDER:

Unstable Convulsions:High in tree, Low Damage, Low Utility.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Backslash: Low Damage, Meh for PVE.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar ... 7:;0:0:0:0:

Rend Asunder: Low Utility
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar ... 6:;0:0:0:0:

Widespread Demolition: Increase of Demolition like 5 ft with a tactic, no thanks.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=mar ... 0:;0:0:0:0:


SORCERER:

Recover Energy: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Chilling Guts: High in tree, it was meh before dot-def changes, now it's completely waste of slot.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Bathing in Blood: Low Heal Output, Meh for pve.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

Devour Energy: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 8:;0:0:0:0:

Empowered Dhar: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 9:;0:0:0:0:

Hastened Fear: Detaunt don't need a cd reducer 15 sc cd - 15 sc duration and 7 second of cd reduce of 30 sec ability is totally meh.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 2:;0:0:0:0:

Manic Obsession: Makes Obsessive Focus avaliable every 20 sec, even with that other tactics shadowing this tactic.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

Triumphant Blasting: AoE punt idea is ok ish in some kind of situations but the range is too low.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 1:;0:0:0:0:


WITCH ELF:

Sharpened Edge: Low Damage, meh agaist deftard melee classes.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Broad Severing: Low Damage -%10 damage lose-, High in Tree, Hits only 2 targets.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Kiss of Doom: Low Healing Income due to mitigation.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Enveloping Shadows: High in Tree, WE's already got a absorb tactic, also relying a successful opener with low absorb value just feels meh.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Bathing in Blood: Low Heal Output, Meh for pve.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sor ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

Baneful Touch: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 0:;0:0:0:0:

Exotic Venom: 5 second more duration for openers with low damage and shadowed by other tactics.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 2:;0:0:0:0:

For the Hag Queen: WE's already got a KD, wasting a tactic slot for a ability not a good idea. Also %10 chance.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=we; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:




ORDER

SHADOW WARRIOR:

Keen Arrowheads : low utility, speccable
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sw; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Split Arrows : low utility, speccable
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sw; ... :;;0:0:0:0:

Blood-Soaked War -- only even slightly usable for pve farming mass low lvl mobs with LA+ES, and even then.. pretty meh
waronlinebuilder.org - Shadow Warrior build

Smoldering Arrows -- low damage
waronlinebuilder.org - Shadow Warrior build

Guerilla Training : Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage. High in tree.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sw; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:


Replenishing Strikes: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage. Also, Clever Recovery is better than this.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=sw; ... 7:;0:0:0:0:


BRIGHT WIZARD:

Draining Burn: Low Utility
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Searing Vitality: Low healing output
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Smoldering Embers: Low Chance. High in Tree. Also bad design imho.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Devour Energy: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... 1:;0:0:0:0:

Distracting Fires: Bad Design. Detaunt don't need cd reducer and fire cage cooldown is 30 sec. 7 sec reducer not gonna change anything.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... 5:;0:0:0:0:

Fan The Flames: Rain of Fire is already a bad ability due to low damage, %50 range increase not effecting anything.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... 5:;0:0:0:0:

Power From The Ashes: Low Utility due to other ap feeders covering ap usage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... 2:;0:0:0:0:

Sigmar's Favor: Low Chance, Low Healing.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=bw; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:




IRONBREAKER:

Long Reach: 5 foot range buff for already lackluster skills.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... :;0:0:0:0:

Overprotective: RNG proc for low amount of fluff damage, completely useless
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;0:0:0:0:

Furious Reprisal: CD increaser isn't bad, but duration is very short and is linked to Knockdown.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;0:0:0:0:

Oath of Vengeance: Toughness buff is overwritten by Knight aura/toughness pot anyways
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=ib; ... ;;0:0:0:0:


WHITE LION:

Hack and Slash: High in Tree, Low Utility due to other ap feeders.
Http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Calming Presence: Group Heals already healing the pet.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... 7:;0:0:0:0:

Tearing blade: Low Damage.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... 8:;0:0:0:0:

Full Grown: High in Tree, Bad Design due to pet oriented builds are Hunter and Guardian.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... ;;;0:0:0:0:

Centuries of Training: Low Damage for WL.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... 3:;0:0:0:0:

Close Bond: Morale Pump. Bad Design due to pet mechanic. Low Value, can be compansated by AM.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=wl; ... 9:;0:0:0:0:

All classes: the spirit resistance tactic

Far to sistuational to waste a tactic slot on and is covered by resistance aura and the like

Choppa
Keep it comin= 11 points in aoe tree, should maybe give higher % of hp back.
http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=chp ... :;;0:0:0:0:

TenTonHammer wrote:All classes: the spirit resistance

Only thing that prevents you from melting from x2 spirit debuff (stacks w aura)

TenTonHammer wrote:All classes: the spirit resistance tactic

Far to sistuational to waste a tactic slot on and is covered by resistance aura and the like

Spirit Resistance Tactic not avaliable for all classses fyi and it stacks with auras and other buffs.

DE : Spirit
CH : Elemental
GS : Spirit

HE : Elemental
EM : Spirit
DW : Corporal

Ironbreaker:

Long Reach: Rune-etched Axe and Shield Sweep have their range increased by 5 feet.
Utterly useless. Those abilities are already questionable, as even at 100 grudge Rune Axe doesnt hit very hard and Shield Sweep, in best case scenario, awards you 5 grudge. Completely dead tactic.

Overprotective: Whenever your Oathfriend is attacked, there is a 25% chance you throw their assailant a glare so fierce they take 150 damage.
RNG fluff damage tactic, pretty sure no one has ever taken it in the history of the game

Furious Reprisal: Shield of Reprisal will now increase the cooldowns on its target by 5 seconds for 5 seconds after they are knocked down.
CD increaser isnt bad, but its single target on an RNG ability that is already shield IB's primary method of CC. Outshone totally by other tactics.

Oath of Vengeance: Vengeful Strike will now affect all allies within 20 feet of Oathfriend.
making one of our ST buffs into AoE is actually decent, but sadly its not one of our good buffs. Gets over written potentially by knight aura or toughness pot anyways. If this applied to Guarded Attack or Inspiring Attack, would be insanely good however. Hesitated to include this one because it could be situationally useful, but I think that situation is too narrow right now to be useful.

Ironbreaker and BG are similar because they dont really have many outright bad tactics: rather, they have too many good tactics and a few outright essential tactics. Almost all IB tactics are situationally useful, like Powered Etchings in warband play (now have 100% uptime aoe snare and aoe kb, which is kinda weird but can be useful), but the above are either so narrowly situational as to be effectively useless, or just actually useless.

Almost included Greataxe Mastery cuz what spec is ever gonna use it, but I suspect it will become more attractive as we get better gear and so can abandon Ancestral Inheritance/Rugged (already possible with full Conq, maybe).

Archmage
Empowered Lores
Whenever you critically hit with an ability that builds either Force or Tranquility, you will gain one additional point. Tactic can not trigger more than once every 3 seconds.
Leftover from original class design as a mechanic weaver.

Id say alot of the tactics that are seen as bad are transitional tactics. Devour energy for instance I will always use in the lower tiers before ap management abilities come in.

Sigmar's favor - (empire core tactic, lvl23) - "Any time you are healed by a direct heal there's a 25% chance that you will regain an additional 135 hit points as well."

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=kot ... 1:;0:0:0:0:

RNG tactic with low chance and low hp heal as well.

On your feet (runepriest lvl 35 tactic) - Rune of Life, Rune of Sanctuary, and Grimnir's Fury will heal the target for 132 health over 5 seconds and will restore 70 action points when the target is resurrected.

http://waronlinebuilder.org/#career=rp; ... 9:;0:0:0:0:

+26 hit points/sec on a high lvl tactic is useless.

KOTBS
Well-trained - Smashing counter, Shield rush, Vicious slash no longer cost action points.
You can not have acces to 2 of these abilities in some builds, and the cost reduction isnt great because this abilities have a long cd(10+ s) and low acton point cost.
Effcient Swings - all path of conquest abilities cost 35% fewer action points.
Requires 12 points spend in coquest tree, low reward do not affect abilities from another trees, outshined by bellow commands tactic, and many else...
Unstoppable juggernaut - juggeranaut cooldown reduced by 20 sec.
Pretty much dead tactic, have no idea who would want to run with it.
P.S. Im not sure about ts istrolling or not in this thread, but i think other people and i myself are dead serious.

Unstoppable Juggernaut is a damn good tactic. Picking other ones that are arguably better does not make UJ a bad tactic.