Return of Reckoning

Hi together

I have played this game for a month now and have to say that I really like it. During open rvr it was always great when we had warbandleaders that for one tried to play tactically and also communicated with the other warbands in the field. Sadly that was not allways the case. I can understand that not everybody wants to lead or play tactically together as one has to take up the mantle and also do more work, coordinate and so on.

So I was thinking that maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a rewardsystem for people that lead warbands or even have the overall lead over many. before I go into dept of some of the ideas I want say beforehand that all the following ideas are simply fictional and are by no means thought through completely and most of them will also not be possible as you have limited time and ressourses to implement new things and there are a lot of things that are more important but still I would like to put some of the ideas in the room to see what you think about them.

A) Rewards for warbandleaders that lead well and coordinate themselves with other warbands
that could be:
1. Additional rr
2. customised gear (like rr 100 visual gear, no stat increase, simply to show all the people that they are something special)
3. or some other special tokkens

For this to function the leaders would have to be rated so that only leaders that really did something would get access to such special rewards. As that is quite hard to do I thought about a little tool where the people in a warband as well as other warbandleaders can judge each other. through that it can be assured that only the worthy would get something.

That could look like a little window where wb leaders could join up if they like to be judged by their warband and other leaders that also have joined up to get access to the special rewards. When they joined the tool the people in their warband will have a little window on the side of the screen where every 30 minuts (or so) a pup up comes where one can rate the leaders. So that the longer the leader leads the more points he gets if he is doing it correctly.

-> good leaders get more points which can later be used for the above written rewards (idea)
-> while bad leaders get nothing or if they simply lost their motivation, lose their earlier made points slowly (idea)

That would for one give an incentive for people to lead and also give them the feeling to be something special as only the people who really did something would get acces to these unique rewards.

Later this could also be taken even further. As one rises in the warbandleader rank one could get additional group buffs and so on.

another Idea would be to alsoe enlargen the character the higher his wb lead lvl is (so that everybody would see while in fight or out who he is) and give him more defenisve stats the higher his wb leader level is. on the other side if he is killed the enemy gets more reward or even some items.

I know that most of these Ideas are not really feasable as it would need a lot of time and effort to balance it. But I thought I write this simply to give you potential new ideas for the future:-)

well we are not interested in rewarding wb leaders more then anyone else, leading your side to victory already gives rewards.

And besides that even though client control is close, we currently cant change UI elements ingame. After client control it will be possible but question is still then if it would be worth any kind of work it would take to get this done.

That said thanks for the suggestion.

Off topic, but is there the possibility of having leader-controlled loot/currency distribution in the future, and would this be able to be controlled from wb lead?

In a team, the only thing worse than no-one taking control, is everyone trying to take control. If you incentivize warband leadership with in-game rewards, you will attract new people (probably quite a few), but then all those people are now fighting over the buck and are antagonistic to one another. I can already see people forming multiple smaller warbands, yelling at one another in region to get people to follow them instead of the other guy, and doing whatever else they can to game the system. You want people leading because they enjoy it, not because they can get something else out of it.

The best way to fix the issue is to be the change you wish to see. Keep leading groups yourself, cultivate a mirco-culture, get people invested in your warbands by giving them small duties and maybe one day they might try leading a group them-self.

dansari wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 3:38 pm Off topic, but is there the possibility of having leader-controlled loot/currency distribution in the future, and would this be able to be controlled from wb lead?

Possible, but I can see this leading to a lot of issues and not something that we should prioritize efforts to add

Natherul wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 4:06 pm

dansari wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 3:38 pm Off topic, but is there the possibility of having leader-controlled loot/currency distribution in the future, and would this be able to be controlled from wb lead?

Possible, but I can see this leading to a lot of issues and not something that we should prioritize efforts to add

To be sure. Low priority and ideally would have everyone accept the loot distribution rule upon joining, or w/e.. would only really work for guild/ally bands, but then again, you can just pass on currency.

dansari wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 4:08 pm deally would have everyone accept the loot distribution rule upon joining, or w/e.. would only really work for guild/ally bands, but then again, you can just pass on currency.

I used to invite dead noobs in norsca to my 100% tax guild, so they'd join thinking it was a rez.

I feel like I should be retroactively flogged for doing so.

NoRKaLKiLLa wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 5:14 pm

dansari wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 4:08 pm deally would have everyone accept the loot distribution rule upon joining, or w/e.. would only really work for guild/ally bands, but then again, you can just pass on currency.

I used to invite dead noobs in norsca to my 100% tax guild, so they'd join thinking it was a rez.

lmfao

Sedok wrote: Wed May 09, 2018 4:05 pm In a team, the only thing worse than no-one taking control, is everyone trying to take control. If you incentivize warband leadership with in-game rewards, you will attract new people (probably quite a few), but then all those people are now fighting over the buck and are antagonistic to one another. I can already see people forming multiple smaller warbands, yelling at one another in region to get people to follow them instead of the other guy, and doing whatever else they can to game the system. You want people leading because they enjoy it, not because they can get something else out of it.

The best way to fix the issue is to be the change you wish to see. Keep leading groups yourself, cultivate a mirco-culture, get people invested in your warbands by giving them small duties and maybe one day they might try leading a group them-self.

Agreed.

I'm very fond of good warband leaders, have been for decades, and frankly we [Order] have enough of a problem with folks telling would-be realm leaders what they "should" be doing on the field - (and yet refusing to lead open warbands themselves.) It's very discouraging to those who would be willing to lead when everyone and their brother are yelling at them about "not doing it right" all the time. Attrition is by far the biggest problem for would-be realm leaders, and always has been. I can't even count how many good leaders I've seen get sick of the constant bitching at them, burn out, and stop leading entirely :/ Folks willing to lead well just need us players support to basically "over-come" the level of vitriol they receive. If you have a RoR leader you enjoy following, send em a thank you!

On that note, I've been busy working on a computer upgrade (plus they put in an RR buff last weekend I wanted nothing to do with) -- Thanks to those RoR leaders I've enjoyed running around with - ya'll know who you are. /salute

The only reward I think that wouldn't cause too many issues, and make people feel good about leading is notoriety.

Eataine caps for order.

Zone Wide Message:
The forces of order have been captured by the forces of order thanks to Eirhorn, Hao, Kriser and their warbands! (just the ones of the top of my head I've ran with or assisted, no insult to those not listed!)