Return of Reckoning

I think there is currently a disparity in what healers of each realm can cleanse. With WP/DoK being the strongest cleansing career this leaves some issues, such as Squig Herder hd avoiding the gcleanse while SW is cleansed and WH being cleansed by DoK gcleanse and WE not from WP.
Currently Shaman cleanses 8 order classes . Zealot 8 and DoK 8.
While Archmage cleanses 8 destro classes, Runey 9 and WP 7.
Also Dok cleanses 5 dps archetypes and WP just 3.

Changes that make the most sense to me
Squig Herder damage type to Hex
WH damage type to Curse
and either IB or KotBS damage type to Ailment.

This would have all healers cleansing the same number of other classes damage types (8), 4 dps 2 tank 2 heal. SH and SW would be cleansed by WP/DoK and WH and WE would both avoid the Wp/DoK gcleanse.

I know War has always been a pseudo mirror game but I think foundational things should be. Also it wouldn't surprise me if this only came about because of lore conflict and WH couldnt be curse or hex.

Problem is some healer classes can aoe cleanse and some not, and also like Telen said some cleans not work on all debuffs, i think it should work on all, and also aoe cleanse should be accessible to all healers, not just some, because this way it makes some healers not wanted in groups for that.

Its fine as it is, however I think we should move puddle back to the isha tree.

At least make all healers to have ability to aoe Cleanse, that should do it nicely.

Maleus79 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:40 pm At least make all healers to have ability to aoe Cleanse, that should do it nicely.

The healers are in a very good place right now when it comes to cleanse parity.

I do not want to see any more watering down of the healers to the point where they have all the same abilities/usefulness. It anything, if would be nice if Zeals/RP/Shamans/AMs could cleanse +1-2 more on a single target and in a single rotation (maybe a new tactic).

Valarion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Maleus79 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:40 pm At least make all healers to have ability to aoe Cleanse, that should do it nicely.

The healers are in a very good place right now when it comes to cleanse parity.

I do not want to see any more watering down of the healers to the point where they have all the same abilities/usefulness. If anything, if would be nice if Zeals/RP/Shamans/AMs could cleanse +1-2 more on a single target and in a single rotation (maybe a new tactic).

Issue with that is it freely counters people layering debuffs. One cleanse would negate an entire rotation outta BW/Sorc, would be impossible to keep a heal debuff on a target, and Demo would be the only effective armor debuff in a meta of stacking armor.

Manatikik wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:45 pm

Valarion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:41 pm

Maleus79 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:40 pm At least make all healers to have ability to aoe Cleanse, that should do it nicely.

The healers are in a very good place right now when it comes to cleanse parity.

I do not want to see any more watering down of the healers to the point where they have all the same abilities/usefulness. If anything, if would be nice if Zeals/RP/Shamans/AMs could cleanse +1-2 more on a single target and in a single rotation (maybe a new tactic).

Issue with that is it freely counters people layering debuffs. One cleanse would negate an entire rotation outta BW/Sorc, would be impossible to keep a heal debuff on a target, and Demo would be the only effective armor debuff in a meta of stacking armor.

Healers are SUPPOSE to counter debuffs.

That is why I pad my important ST dots (like Boiling Blood) with unimport dots on tight rotations like every other veteran BW/Sorc.

imagine the best dot class whit same cleanse as the others...dont know man feels so wrong.

If it ain't broke dont fix it.

But more seriously, is there a serious issue because of this? Or are people just examining things on paper too much and seeing a problem where there isnt one?

Valarion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:01 pm

Manatikik wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:45 pm

Valarion wrote: ↑Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:41 pm

The healers are in a very good place right now when it comes to cleanse parity.

I do not want to see any more watering down of the healers to the point where they have all the same abilities/usefulness. If anything, if would be nice if Zeals/RP/Shamans/AMs could cleanse +1-2 more on a single target and in a single rotation (maybe a new tactic).

Issue with that is it freely counters people layering debuffs. One cleanse would negate an entire rotation outta BW/Sorc, would be impossible to keep a heal debuff on a target, and Demo would be the only effective armor debuff in a meta of stacking armor.

Healers are SUPPOSE to counter debuffs.

That is why I pad my important ST dots (like Boiling Blood) with unimport dots on tight rotations like every other veteran BW/Sorc.

That’s why I said your proposed changed of removing multiple debuffs per cleanse is bad as it has no counter play via layering? It’s be ridiculously potent and increase TTK the wrong way.