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Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:11 pm
by Nishka
When playing a frontline order class, it's nearly impossible to get even m2 during the fight while destruction can easily unload 2 m3's. The recent change of raze from m2 to m3 made the situation even worse, as now order tanks can't morale bomb.
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:13 pm
by TenTonHammer
just ask all the RDPS to bomb for you
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:22 pm
by Tesq
I was wonderin if its that hard i mean open space well yea but in close space? Aka 99% of critical sich of the game, marauders cant ignore spatialy tanks like a rdps do and block/parry a mara is pretty easier since no 2h. So....is that so hard build moralea when you tank wall in somwhere closed?
Given imo wh should have his own tactic fixed (seriously)...is that bad right now?
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:44 pm
by Nishka
Tesq wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:22 pm
I was wonderin if its that hard i mean open space well yea but in close space? Aka 99% of critical sich of the game, marauders cant ignore spatialy tanks like a rdps do and block/parry a mara is pretty easier since no 2h. So....is that so hard build moralea when you tank wall in somwhere closed?
Given imo wh should have his own tactic fixed (seriously)...is that bad right now?
Yes, it's very hard. You're lucky if you can get to m2 even during huge fights. Just play an order melee class and watch how you lose huge chunks of morale every second or two.
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:55 pm
by Nishka
Im kinda busy now but I will be able to describe the problem in greater detail later, how I see it and how I think it should be handled.
Unless the thread will get closed, of course.
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:25 pm
by Valarion
Nishka wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:11 pm
When playing a frontline order class, it's nearly impossible to get even m2 during the fight while destruction can easily unload 2 m3's. The recent change of raze from m2 to m3 made the situation even worse, as now order tanks can't morale bomb.
I'd probably care if there werent 4 classes on both sides capable of morales draining:
BW/Knight/SM/WH
BO/Dok/Marauder/Shaman
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm
by bloodi
Valarion wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:25 pm
I'd probably care if there werent 4 classes on both sides capable of morales draining:
BW/Knight/SM/WH
BO/Dok/Marauder/Shaman
You should probably care about what each class can do and how they "drain" said morale.
I mean, Dok doesnt even drain anything, WH is entirely single target and when you hit on their back, BW/knight/BO are m4s, SM only aoe ability in hoeth can be used every 3 gcds, i dont even remember the shaman drain, they have a pump though, etc.
Is easy to just count the tooltips that say morale in them and pretend its balanced but just reading what each classes do and how they can drain it will actually tell you how wrong you are.
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:43 pm
by Nishka
In theory, order has access to morale drains and pumps. In practice, most of them aren't usable. High in a trash mastery path, highly conditional, tied up to bad skills etc.
For example, morale drain of KOTBS, solar flare is
1.Highest skill in the Path of Glory, weakest KOTBS mastery path.
2. m4
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:50 pm
by Valarion
bloodi wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm
Valarion wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:25 pm
I'd probably care if there werent 4 classes on both sides capable of morales draining:
BW/Knight/SM/WH
BO/Dok/Marauder/Shaman
You should probably care about what each class can do and how they "drain" said morale.
I mean, Dok doesnt even drain anything, WH is entirely single target and when you hit on their back, BW/knight/BO are m4s, SM only aoe ability in hoeth can be used every 3 gcds, i dont even remember the shaman drain, they have a pump though, etc.
Is easy to just count the tooltips that say morale in them and pretend its balanced but just reading what each classes do and how they can drain it will actually tell you how wrong you are.
Nice try, but here is the definitive chart:
Only classes that are arguably out of hand here are BW, Knight and Marauder.
Re: Morale Drains are out of hand
Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:21 pm
by TenTonHammer
bloodi wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:34 pm
WH is entirely single target and when you hit on their back
Dragon gun?