Return of Reckoning

So pounce was moved to the pet line. You have to spec 5 points into the pet line to get pounce.
Loner tactic which gives you the ability to spam pounce has one requirement. you can not have a pet up.
So if you want to use loner and use the spammable pounce, You have to spec into a line that you are explicitly forbidden to use.

Not only has the range been made almost useless. The WL has to waste 5 points into a line he cant even use to get it.
This was the defining ability of the class in the original design. It was unique to the class. Now it is not only given to Destro, but in a way that makes it more useful since it is in the melee line for the class and given as a free base line ability to WE now. The unique class spec ability is now a base ability for a destro class.....
Pounce was also the main reason given for WL having an inferior pull, being that fetch required a pet and for the pet to run to the target vs an any time ability of the mara. Now that Pounce has been nerfed severely in range that leaves the WL at a large disadvantage in spec and in ability.

This isnt even getting into the fact that it has made the center tree spec untenable now. This has left the Wl with two spec options that make sense, AOE or a pet spec which is not viable for any large scale engagements due to lack of pet survivability in large scale AOE engagements.

there is a trend of destru getting order abilitys

Cant be more OK with you. It makes no sense now. Restricted spec. Absurd pounce position. etc... etc...
I'd like to understand what dev think off when they do things like that, maybe an explanation could be useful to understand something i may miss, maybe a future patch that makes all theses changes something ok, but then why put the class in this state now. Maybe they just want the community to test and react and adjust...
I'd like to say that I dont main WL, just to avoid ppl saying WL are whining on they favourite class, thats not the case. I just honestly think thats a bad change in many aspects.

Regardless of what you think of its performance in game WE pounce is yet another example of one way mirroring.

Coordinated strike being tied to the aoe tree doesn’t really make sense anymore either.

Mordd wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:08 am
This was the defining ability of the class in the original design. It was unique to the class. Now it is not only given to Destro, but in a way that makes it more useful since it is in the melee line for the class and given as a free base line ability to WE now. The unique class spec ability is now a base ability for a destro class.....

Agree with Mordd, Witch elfs do not need the pounce. I dont mind having the armor debuff the WH got.

Pounce its very unique to the White lions class.. its ridiculous overpowered on the Witch elf. Ive been killing playes left to right nonstop with the pounce. Please any DEV read this.

Krima wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:54 pm

Mordd wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:08 am
This was the defining ability of the class in the original design. It was unique to the class. Now it is not only given to Destro, but in a way that makes it more useful since it is in the melee line for the class and given as a free base line ability to WE now. The unique class spec ability is now a base ability for a destro class.....

Agree with Mordd, Witch elfs do not need the pounce. I dont mind having the armor debuff the WH got.

Pounce its very unique to the White lions class.. its ridiculous overpowered on the Witch elf. Ive been killing playes left to right nonstop with the pounce. Please any DEV read this.

ok smart arse. But as you say you dont need it and it makes zeros sense on the class. It could help the WE single target groups in city, that didnt need help.

all the WE that I know are happy with the pounce

Mordd wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 7:04 pm

Krima wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:54 pm

Mordd wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 9:08 am
This was the defining ability of the class in the original design. It was unique to the class. Now it is not only given to Destro, but in a way that makes it more useful since it is in the melee line for the class and given as a free base line ability to WE now. The unique class spec ability is now a base ability for a destro class.....

Agree with Mordd, Witch elfs do not need the pounce. I dont mind having the armor debuff the WH got.

Pounce its very unique to the White lions class.. its ridiculous overpowered on the Witch elf. Ive been killing playes left to right nonstop with the pounce. Please any DEV read this.

ok smart arse. But as you say you dont need it and it makes zeros sense on the class. It could help the WE single target groups in city, that didnt need help.

Yes, Witch elfs dont really need it. Its linked to stealth and the least used opener. Also very ugly and Non-lore seeing witch elfs flying around.

White lions should have stealth to balance it.

Krima wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 6:54 pm

Pounce its very unique to the White lions class.. its ridiculous overpowered on the Witch elf. Ive been killing playes left to right nonstop with the pounce. Please any DEV read this.

The AOE armor debuff on WH is a cool idea but probably wasn't totally necessary. That said Destro can have it once Order can debuff your resists by 1320 with a tactic and M1, has a ranged AOE resist debuff for their their mage's primary damage type, and can double AOE debuff the secondary.