Re: Melee bombing
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:43 pm
Man you're saying like people don't take BW/Sorc in their bomb groups while BWs still being the #1 way of smashing a mara train. In orvr kiting comps are still king.
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Saying you should outright ban "melee bombing" is a balance discussion. See wonshot's post - who kind of agrees with you. Even he does not say melee compositions should be banned, just that rdps is becoming mechanically less relevant than it used to be (I don't agree with him entirely) and melee is overperforming (I still think BW/Sorc are one of the best all-round dps class).
As for Magus Pandemonium + Glean does much less damage then BHA and requires a 1s cast.MMXX43 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:37 pm" Having 4+ stacks of x3 BHA is fkn unreal broken and unbelievable it's been like this for a while.Cultist wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:59 am "melee bombing" ? maybe you meant "melee meta" ??
I agree, Slayers and WL shouild be tunned down.
And BHA made comparable to SH counterpart viewtopic.php?f=15&t=45415#p484392
How is broadhead stacking broken and melee aoe stacking or magus dot stacking is not?
You need to fire it three times to do some damage and it can be blocked, evaded... and it is affected by the targets armor ... and the 3x stacking can be cleasned with 1x cleanse ... and it has only a small radius ... and you have to get very close as squishy SW. Compared to the melee aoe stacking this is not overpowered at all and way harder to perform.
What is really broken in this game is the amount of times you are getting pulled by maras and choppas while order has not really working pull at all. Lots of free kills for destro. We can nerf broadhead when you nerf that pull crap too."
k ima tackle this.MMXX43 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:21 amThere was nothing serious on that post......you listed a complete kit of destro potential rebranded it order and went for a generic overview. I will deduce you now.starness88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:03 amCmon dude that clealy your worst dodge ever. That's weak
"I will name some of them cause it will be too long and to write all abilities where no mirroring is in your favor (and i have no time for it).
( You will now name EFFECTS as ABILITIES )
Long range stun ( Destro has that. )
More raw damage, raw defense, raw healing ( Got it, super got it, got it )
Damage reduction ( Got it )
Undefendable damage ( Got it )
Self cleanse on bw ( laughable)
Crit chance reduction ( Pretty sure you got it )
Moral leech ( Got it )
AOe damage ( Super uber got it )
On the other hand you have .
Best punt in game ( BG )
Actual working 2h specs for tanks !!!
Non immunity triggering cc ( windblock )
Insane speed on 2 overstacked classes / racial of Orcs also OP )
3 working pulls ( Choppa has a triffecta , or maybe quadraeffecta, speed, damage, pull, interupt)
litterally every class possibly including the choppa is better than its Order counterpart for the below reason :
ACTUAL DEBUFF SYNERGY ! corp for corp debuff , spiritual magus / sorc debuff, elemental debuff for elemental damage dealers ( shammies , AM puddle debuffs initiave )
Also magus pandemonium is the new BHA
Again, dogding is one thing, having someone cocky while been oblivious to basic stuff and thus deserving nothing more than contempt is another.
P.S : I liked how you pre built your dogde narrative 1 post above this so you can exponentiate your destro biased angst.
Good read.
1) IB has the same punt as BG ( wrong )Onigokko0101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:53 pmk ima tackle this.MMXX43 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:21 amThere was nothing serious on that post......you listed a complete kit of destro potential rebranded it order and went for a generic overview. I will deduce you now.starness88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:03 am
Cmon dude that clealy your worst dodge ever. That's weak
"I will name some of them cause it will be too long and to write all abilities where no mirroring is in your favor (and i have no time for it).
( You will now name EFFECTS as ABILITIES )
Long range stun ( Destro has that. )
More raw damage, raw defense, raw healing ( Got it, super got it, got it )
Damage reduction ( Got it )
Undefendable damage ( Got it )
Self cleanse on bw ( laughable)
Crit chance reduction ( Pretty sure you got it )
Moral leech ( Got it )
AOe damage ( Super uber got it )
On the other hand you have .
Best punt in game ( BG )
Actual working 2h specs for tanks !!!
Non immunity triggering cc ( windblock )
Insane speed on 2 overstacked classes / racial of Orcs also OP )
3 working pulls ( Choppa has a triffecta , or maybe quadraeffecta, speed, damage, pull, interupt)
litterally every class possibly including the choppa is better than its Order counterpart for the below reason :
ACTUAL DEBUFF SYNERGY ! corp for corp debuff , spiritual magus / sorc debuff, elemental debuff for elemental damage dealers ( shammies , AM puddle debuffs initiave )
Also magus pandemonium is the new BHA
Again, dogding is one thing, having someone cocky while been oblivious to basic stuff and thus deserving nothing more than contempt is another.
P.S : I liked how you pre built your dogde narrative 1 post above this so you can exponentiate your destro biased angst.
Good read.
1) IB has the same punt as BG
2) Order tanks absolutely have working and strong 2H builds. Just because BG is most likely the strongest 2H tank (and it is) does not make Order unable to spec 2h
3) Windblock is an M4 that applies a healdebuff, Winds of Insanity is what you are thinking of. Its a very short knockback that yes, does not give immunity but is on a squishy healer. If you are going for a WoI play you normally need to drop your 2 minute CD with it. It really isnt that OP
4) Im da biggest is just a stat ball, and often times you drop it once you have good gear. How is that OP?
5) Pulls can only be used every 30s, can be defended against, and countered. Only people really afraid of pulls are random unguarded DPS or healers that dont get guard swapped to. Its a l2p issues.
6) Order classes straight up do more damage without the debuffs, the debuffs put them on par with Order not above.
Sorc does less damage then BW straight up with their AoE, even with the Magus+Zealot debuffs (and Zealot debuff requires a melee range healer or a DPS Zealot).
Elemental Debuff is basically useless for WB play
Im not saying Order is OP, but I am saying your argument makes no sense and reeks of someone that has never played both sides.
MMXX43 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:48 pm1) IB has the same punt as BG ( wrong )Onigokko0101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:53 pmk ima tackle this.MMXX43 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:21 am
There was nothing serious on that post......you listed a complete kit of destro potential rebranded it order and went for a generic overview. I will deduce you now.
"I will name some of them cause it will be too long and to write all abilities where no mirroring is in your favor (and i have no time for it).
( You will now name EFFECTS as ABILITIES )
Long range stun ( Destro has that. )
More raw damage, raw defense, raw healing ( Got it, super got it, got it )
Damage reduction ( Got it )
Undefendable damage ( Got it )
Self cleanse on bw ( laughable)
Crit chance reduction ( Pretty sure you got it )
Moral leech ( Got it )
AOe damage ( Super uber got it )
On the other hand you have .
Best punt in game ( BG )
Actual working 2h specs for tanks !!!
Non immunity triggering cc ( windblock )
Insane speed on 2 overstacked classes / racial of Orcs also OP )
3 working pulls ( Choppa has a triffecta , or maybe quadraeffecta, speed, damage, pull, interupt)
litterally every class possibly including the choppa is better than its Order counterpart for the below reason :
ACTUAL DEBUFF SYNERGY ! corp for corp debuff , spiritual magus / sorc debuff, elemental debuff for elemental damage dealers ( shammies , AM puddle debuffs initiave )
Also magus pandemonium is the new BHA
Again, dogding is one thing, having someone cocky while been oblivious to basic stuff and thus deserving nothing more than contempt is another.
P.S : I liked how you pre built your dogde narrative 1 post above this so you can exponentiate your destro biased angst.
Good read.
1) IB has the same punt as BG
2) Order tanks absolutely have working and strong 2H builds. Just because BG is most likely the strongest 2H tank (and it is) does not make Order unable to spec 2h
3) Windblock is an M4 that applies a healdebuff, Winds of Insanity is what you are thinking of. Its a very short knockback that yes, does not give immunity but is on a squishy healer. If you are going for a WoI play you normally need to drop your 2 minute CD with it. It really isnt that OP
4) Im da biggest is just a stat ball, and often times you drop it once you have good gear. How is that OP?
5) Pulls can only be used every 30s, can be defended against, and countered. Only people really afraid of pulls are random unguarded DPS or healers that dont get guard swapped to. Its a l2p issues.
6) Order classes straight up do more damage without the debuffs, the debuffs put them on par with Order not above.
Sorc does less damage then BW straight up with their AoE, even with the Magus+Zealot debuffs (and Zealot debuff requires a melee range healer or a DPS Zealot).
Elemental Debuff is basically useless for WB play
Im not saying Order is OP, but I am saying your argument makes no sense and reeks of someone that has never played both sides.
2) wrong
3) ammended still stands at least 2 organized wbs have a zealot for that , zealot squishy also unkillable if crosshealed or staggering or kiting.
4) a lot of choppa and bo run it, you are wrong.
5) sure l2p....sure.
6) a) wrong,
b) sorc does INSANE st damage even on healed and guarded targets.
7) game isnt all about wb play. 1-1 destro has advantages across the board.
Destro is op always has been an op joke since live even more now that order lost the live crit meta. Check some posts above this you ll see my opinion and alo the category you are falling into .
The forum is order biased, Check some posts above this you ll see my opinion and alo the category you are falling into
Vey original , keep it up.starness88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:49 pmMMXX43 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:48 pm1) IB has the same punt as BG ( wrong )Onigokko0101 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:53 pm
k ima tackle this.
1) IB has the same punt as BG
2) Order tanks absolutely have working and strong 2H builds. Just because BG is most likely the strongest 2H tank (and it is) does not make Order unable to spec 2h
3) Windblock is an M4 that applies a healdebuff, Winds of Insanity is what you are thinking of. Its a very short knockback that yes, does not give immunity but is on a squishy healer. If you are going for a WoI play you normally need to drop your 2 minute CD with it. It really isnt that OP
4) Im da biggest is just a stat ball, and often times you drop it once you have good gear. How is that OP?
5) Pulls can only be used every 30s, can be defended against, and countered. Only people really afraid of pulls are random unguarded DPS or healers that dont get guard swapped to. Its a l2p issues.
6) Order classes straight up do more damage without the debuffs, the debuffs put them on par with Order not above.
Sorc does less damage then BW straight up with their AoE, even with the Magus+Zealot debuffs (and Zealot debuff requires a melee range healer or a DPS Zealot).
Elemental Debuff is basically useless for WB play
Im not saying Order is OP, but I am saying your argument makes no sense and reeks of someone that has never played both sides.
2) wrong
3) ammended still stands at least 2 organized wbs have a zealot for that , zealot squishy also unkillable if crosshealed or staggering or kiting.
4) a lot of choppa and bo run it, you are wrong.
5) sure l2p....sure.
6) a) wrong,
b) sorc does INSANE st damage even on healed and guarded targets.
7) game isnt all about wb play. 1-1 destro has advantages across the board.
Destro is op always has been an op joke since live even more now that order lost the live crit meta. Check some posts above this you ll see my opinion and alo the category you are falling into .
1- Right but and ib can still kick out someone of a fight and doesn't bring to build his grudge for this so it's l2p issue
2- True, many 2h order tank play well so if you can't play a 2h correctly it's again an l2p issue
3- Wind of insanity can be kick, i know it's harder since NB has been nerf. Again l2p issue
4- Only when they are in solo. Dwarf had a 50 % control time reduce tell me it's not op please
5- True, a pull bring an immune to the target. So you should l2p it's a basic of ROR
6- True, Order has more raw damage it was suppose to balance our moral drop. But we took several nerf from this time and your damage didn't
7- Game isn't about 1-1
The forum is order biased, Check some posts above this you ll see my opinion and alo the category you are falling into
Yeah because if you want to be competitive against order you haven't the choice. Saying destro is more balance is a joke.CountTalabecland wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:52 pm
Destro plays more meta comps more often.
Destro has better balanced classes and more ppl playing the strong ones.
AM is king squish and ppl who have geared heal spec ones and know how to stay alive are very, very few.