Return of Reckoning

Hey guys!

First, sry about my english.

I would suggest a change in the M2 of SM and BO.

First, I need to explain why it's not so interesting:

Guard of steel / Walk it off
160 toug for everyone in the group at 100ft

Looking superficially it sounds interesting, but if analyzed further it is clear why most people leave this morality forgotten.

If you're a pure tank, you already have enough Toug, if you care about Toug even as an mdps, you're already on a more defensive set and if you're pure dps, I guarantee you that 160 toug won't save you , even more if you are far from your SM/BO...

This morale will be viable if it receives some more status, such as KOTBS for example:

Emperors Champion
240 of str, toug and wounds.

We need to be clear that while SM/BO delivers Toug to the group at 100ft for 30sec, KOTBS will only boost their status for 15sec.

But I used KOTBS just for an example, of a very interesting M2, but Chosen have Amplification of heal in 300%, very good too.

Suggestion:
BG's M2 does what SM's Gusting Wings skill does, punt everyone.

In fact BG's solo punt is insane and depends on very little for him to use, that makes him unique.

I think SM and BO's M2 could do what BG's Exile does, maybe not to the same extent but we would have an interesting M2 and Punt equivalent to BG's, even if it's with a morale.

As moral demands more time to isolate it again and again, it would be interesting that in addition to punt it applied 5 sec of slowness.

Based on the BG punt with 90 hate, this M2 could be at least 70% effective or less.

Thanks.

Even if reworked why would anyone give up Distracting bellow that reduces enemy damage by 50%?

Deathsaw wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:42 pm Hey guys!

First, sry about my english.

I would suggest a change in the M2 of SM and BO.

First, I need to explain why it's not so interesting:

Guard of steel / Walk it off
160 toug for everyone in the group at 100ft

Looking superficially it sounds interesting, but if analyzed further it is clear why most people leave this morality forgotten.

If you're a pure tank, you already have enough Toug, if you care about Toug even as an mdps, you're already on a more defensive set and if you're pure dps, I guarantee you that 160 toug won't save you , even more if you are far from your SM/BO...

Fire it up in funnel or when you're under aoe pressure and tell me it's not interesting (especially when combined with Breath of Mork)
I agree with Skarzig however - Distracting bellow is better than 99% of tank m2s and no wonder - it used to be morale 3.

Noslock wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:54 pm Even if reworked why would anyone give up Distracting bellow that reduces enemy damage by 50%?

We're not talking about giving up an M2, the idea is to make there another option as good for these classes as there are for other tanks.

NSKaneda wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:01 pm

Deathsaw wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:42 pm Hey guys!

First, sry about my english.

I would suggest a change in the M2 of SM and BO.

First, I need to explain why it's not so interesting:

Guard of steel / Walk it off
160 toug for everyone in the group at 100ft

Looking superficially it sounds interesting, but if analyzed further it is clear why most people leave this morality forgotten.

If you're a pure tank, you already have enough Toug, if you care about Toug even as an mdps, you're already on a more defensive set and if you're pure dps, I guarantee you that 160 toug won't save you , even more if you are far from your SM/BO...

Fire it up in funnel or when you're under aoe pressure and tell me it's not interesting (especially when combined with Breath of Mork)
I agree with Skarzig however - Distracting bellow is better than 99% of tank m2s and no wonder - it used to be morale 3.

It wouldn't make sense to use this M2 in a funnel if there is a Distracting bellow as NSKaneda said. Raising the toug is not really the best option... the SM uses the M1 to move or the M3 or 4.

Noslock wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:54 pm Even if reworked why would anyone give up Distracting bellow that reduces enemy damage by 50%?

This. If you use anything but bellows you need to rethink why you are playing this archetype.

Deathsaw wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:21 pm

Spoiler:

NSKaneda wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:01 pm

Deathsaw wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:42 pm Hey guys!

First, sry about my english.

I would suggest a change in the M2 of SM and BO.

First, I need to explain why it's not so interesting:

Guard of steel / Walk it off
160 toug for everyone in the group at 100ft

Looking superficially it sounds interesting, but if analyzed further it is clear why most people leave this morality forgotten.

If you're a pure tank, you already have enough Toug, if you care about Toug even as an mdps, you're already on a more defensive set and if you're pure dps, I guarantee you that 160 toug won't save you , even more if you are far from your SM/BO...

Fire it up in funnel or when you're under aoe pressure and tell me it's not interesting (especially when combined with Breath of Mork)
I agree with Skarzig however - Distracting bellow is better than 99% of tank m2s and no wonder - it used to be morale 3.

It wouldn't make sense to use this M2 in a funnel if there is a Distracting bellow as NSKaneda said. Raising the toug is not really the best option... the SM uses the M1 to move or the M3 or 4.

Don't get me wrong, there are uses for m2s other that DB but the truth is it's for specialised, VoIP warbands where main tank runs snb DB and offtank runs 2h and picks up m2 to aid guardee/party. Their designed use however (to work with or against old m2 drop) has been lost many patches ago

Noslock wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 3:54 pm Even if reworked why would anyone give up Distracting bellow that reduces enemy damage by 50%?

+1 any tank on any build

Maybe give up on finding a second viable M2 and work on making the M3 useful? This is the only morale slot I never use. I don't think anything will dethrone bellow.

Well, BO defening bellow and SM Bladeshield are fun and have some use
Kotbs No Escape is nice too

Other tanks have to deal with Raze or an absord... not so nice