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Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:11 am
by eldriyth
I've really tried to keep my cool but I have to boycott this project and the developers for being blatantly hateful towards players with disabilities. Removing a tool after so many years that helped players with arthritus, shot hands, and other disabilities is nothing short of shameful. And the comments I've seen regarding people who are unsatisfied is demoralising. This project is complete freeware. You are not making money on it. (Unless you count the ads on here) People were having fun. The hit to the population has been dramatic and your team does nothing to help matters.
I can't stand by a team who hates disabled players.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:22 am
by abezverkhiy
I don't think you are going to be heard. Most likely the thread will be quietly deleted.
Between fixing the mistake and saving face they chose the latter. Although admitting they made a wrong move and rolling it back would only earn respect in eyes of many.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:26 am
by Evilspinnre
There is a sequencer created by the dev team you can use.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:44 am
by eldriyth
Evilspinnre wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:26 am
There is a sequencer created by the dev team you can use.
And it is not complete or good enough to be competitive. Abilities skip when disrupted, and so many other basic things are missing. I left full detailed requests on what could make it better over a week ago and no response or anything.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:23 am
by wargrimnir
I hope you find another game that better suits your needs. The NB ban had nothing to do with hating on disabled people. Figure that's pretty obvious, maybe you just needed it to be said to clear that up.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:00 am
by eldriyth
wargrimnir wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:23 am
I hope you find another game that better suits your needs. The NB ban had nothing to do with hating on disabled people. Figure that's pretty obvious, maybe you just needed it to be said to clear that up.
You took it away after years of people using it. How is not being hateful and bias towards these players? Which is mainly disabled or low dex people. You lost over half your population. Do you even give a damn?
Your answer is find a different game?
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:12 am
by xoonerfree
eldriyth wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:00 am
wargrimnir wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:23 am
I hope you find another game that better suits your needs. The NB ban had nothing to do with hating on disabled people. Figure that's pretty obvious, maybe you just needed it to be said to clear that up.
You took it away after years of people using it. How is not being hateful and bias towards these players? Which is mainly disabled or low dex people. You lost over half your population. Do you even give a damn?
Your answer is find a different game?
They really did lose half their population banning NB. I had a previous thread deleted for just linking the two, and was told 'oh, it's just the summer months.' but i played the last 3 summers so know that's not really true. yes previous summers all had pop drops but not like this.
It's a free game, so just move on like the BIG GUY said really. That's life there are plenty of other games to play just give them a chance. I happen to agree 100% with you on everything you're saying but pride and ego is a powerful force to overcome. The only reasonable explanation given to ban NB was so some average players couldn't hang with the big boys in ranked scenarios. To let the truly skilled players shine in ranked scen? I'm guessing the BIG GUY feels the future of this game is in competitive ranked scen, because we all know there's little actual new content. I did all the content during retail so to me it's not really new even if they get around to releasing TOVL.
We really can't complain much because this is all free besides looking at these ads on their website.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:23 am
by Gunlinger
If They would Ban the Healer Addons, that allow mouse over HoT and Cleanse without actually clicking, what is by definition the same ''forbidden'' automatism, that NB got called off for. Then even those ''truly skilled'' players would come back to the ground.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:17 am
by wargrimnir
xoonerfree wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:12 am
eldriyth wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 4:00 am
wargrimnir wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 3:23 am
I hope you find another game that better suits your needs. The NB ban had nothing to do with hating on disabled people. Figure that's pretty obvious, maybe you just needed it to be said to clear that up.
You took it away after years of people using it. How is not being hateful and bias towards these players? Which is mainly disabled or low dex people. You lost over half your population. Do you even give a damn?
Your answer is find a different game?
They really did lose half their population banning NB. I had a previous thread deleted for just linking the two, and was told 'oh, it's just the summer months.' but i played the last 3 summers so know that's not really true. yes previous summers all had pop drops but not like this.
It's a free game, so just move on like the BIG GUY said really. That's life there are plenty of other games to play just give them a chance. I happen to agree 100% with you on everything you're saying but pride and ego is a powerful force to overcome. The only reasonable explanation given to ban NB was so some average players couldn't hang with the big boys in ranked scenarios. To let the truly skilled players shine in ranked scen? I'm guessing the BIG GUY feels the future of this game is in competitive ranked scen, because we all know there's little actual new content. I did all the content during retail so to me it's not really new even if they get around to releasing TOVL.
We really can't complain much because this is all free besides looking at these ads on their website.
Didn't really hinge on what I thought about NB, if you go digging through my posts you can see how I felt about it. It's done though, you get the Sequencer addon now, or you'll need to find a different game that's more friendly to your playstyle. That's reality now. There's been enough discussion about it by devs, they're not going to give you different answers. NB was borderline cheating, and they always planned to remove it somehow. So here we are.
Re: Blatant hatred towards disabled players.
Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:30 am
by abezverkhiy
wargrimnir wrote: Sun Aug 22, 2021 5:17 am
NB was borderline cheating, and they always planned to remove it somehow. So here we are.
Mostly true. Some players did really abused it big time. But plenty of others used it without going too deep into advanced coding.
Maybe you could just neuter those parts that were creating borderline cheating'? Or if it is undoable - do you have any plans to improve Sequencer? Cause it is not really working as it should at this moment of time and there is no feedback from you guys about plans to make it better.