Realm Champions not needed, we need Time Zone Champions
Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 12:53 pm
Hail all,
In the Grand Scheme of things the classes and the class balances are not too bad, they almost work a lot of the time.
yes ppl moan about destro have 2 frontal mobile melee pulls while Order strangely have none
yes ppl moan about slayer Rampage
yes ppl moan that rSH is loved and shad is hated
yes ppl moan about WE is regularly buffed and WH strangely is ignored
yes ppl moan about WE having perma snare
yes ppl moan about WL being utterly dismantled over 1 yr ago now so sorcs and rshs and shammies can proliferate
yes ppl moan about shammies
yes shammies moan about dps ams
yes ppl moan about maru faceroll aoe kd
yes ppl moan about destro melee blob
yes ppl maon about order ranged in forts
yes ppl moan about wp vs dok, or bg punt vs IB punt
but this, friends and neighbours, is the NOT the key issue effecting game balance and i fear the creation of Realm Champions would overlook the key issue spoiling the game
the main issue is nothing to do with classes
the issue which ruins the game is simply Population faction numbers, for most of the day one faction completely outnumbers the other faction, no amount of class balance can change this or make one iota of difference to the outcome of 1 faction facerolling zones all day long
when the 558 cccp log on (many of whom are 80 to 99) and play destro 16 to 20 hrs a day every day it makes the players who are unlucky to be playing CET and GMT Order broken
when 80 to 100 x realmers are allowed to run to destro to join the 558 cccp rank 80 to 99s it makes Order unplayable for those unlucky to have their prime time at the same time as this
Population is now regularly 65 to 72% destro in CET GMT time.
its numbers that need balancing not classes. The outcome of the game is currently determined not by which class you play but by which time zone you play.
when the cccp go to bed and NA west coast order log in, it's the same issue for destro (but not as bad)
but the 100 xrealmers then run back to Order and abandon destro making the issue worse for destro
it doesn't matter if Ream Champions balance DoKs vs wps
because for 16hrs day you'll have 88 doks fighting vs only 24 wps , so the class balance doesn't matter, because 24 doesn't beat 88, it's the sheer NUMBERS for 1 faction vs the other that matter
it doesn't matter if Realm Champions balance Sorcs vs Bright wizards
because for 16hrs a day you'll have 110 sorcs vs 32 bright wizards. so class balance doesn't matter because 32 can't beat 110, its NUMBERS that matter
so if realm champions work damn hard to achieve almost perfect balance between classes all their work DOESNT MATTTER because it will still be 580 vs 220 or 80 vs 230
and 220 cant beat 580, and 80 cant beat 230, it's the faction NUMBERS that need balancing
small scale, 1 vs 1, 6 vs 6, some scenarios it may help, but holistically it doesn't matter a dime because of the faction imbalance in numbers.
Solutions
1.log in numbers for one faction need to be frozen when the larger faction reaches 55% and no more can log in or x realm to that faction til the other faction gets to 50%, then you are allowed up to 55% again, rinse repeat. You could limit this to a zone, so ppl could log into the game, but not the overload zone.
(If possible you could make this effect level 40s only, or maybe even 16 to 40 as this effects ORVR), that would require more work but the results would be worth it for the game balance you seek.
2. x realming needs a 24hr lockout
Unfortunately, neither of these solutions the devs/gms have shown any interest in and have many times publicly stated they will never cap faction numbers ( we still hope that x realm lock out might be looked at, fingers crossed)
so with an unwillingness to accept 580 vs 220 for 16 to 20 hrs a day all day every day ad infinitum, is the issue then NOTHING you do as Realm Champions will matter. Sorry.
The issue is faction numbers allowed to log on at the same time all day every day making the game no fun at all and virtually unplayable for the smaller faction as more and more quit or flood to the larger faction. I remember when I first started Destro was 52% to 55% and i was told dont worry these things change it won't last, and they were right, it then became destro 55 to 58% and they said dont worry these things change it wont last,, and they were right, and then it was destro 58 to 62% and they said don't worry its only temporary these things change, and they were right, now its 65 to 72% destro and on we go.....
you can balance the classes all u want but if u got 110 sorcs quad critting u for 11k and 100 marus and choppas pulling u to insta kill blob death and all Order have back are 24 bws and 22 slayers it doesnt matter if those slayers and bws are perfectly balanced because they are VASTLY OUTNUMBERED. It's not even close or heroically playable, there is zero or 1 order wb vs 5 to 7 destro wbs so people give up, go pve, quit, or run to destro. They log out their perfectly balanced Runepriest who is losing and being killed non stop zone after zone and log in their perfectly balanced Zealot who is winning and racking in the kills non stop, and taking zone after zone, keep after keep, fort after fort
class balance is irrelevant when u have spiraling out of control faction numbers imbalance on a daily basis
get the faction imbalance in hand as the primary goal, then look at the individual classes as the secondary step, sure thing, it's a noble well intentioned pursuit. but you have to prioritize and have the will and courage tackle the elephant in the room.
let us think of class balance as you are way too hot irl so u need to take off a jumper or your shirt yes of course if you're way too hot u need get a glass of water maybe or get that pullover off,
but the reason you're way too hot is because your house is burning down, so maybe its best to forget the glass of water for now and save your house from burning down or just get the hell out of the house.
or you could stubbornly refuse to acknowledge your house is in flames and simply take that jumper off and look for better ways to get to the kitchen to get that glass of water or look which pullovers can be removed quicker nodding your head sagely as the flames lick higher and more and more people bail from the building building and quit while you are rummaging in your wardrobe for the correctly fitting balanced pullover.
The X-realmers have no loyalty and put self gain above community above game balance, many don't give a fig for game balance and they must have self gain and self gratification at all costs. This is what drives them self gain.
and those who look for game balance are NOT driven by self gain but by fairness and a community magnanimous spirit, Communality spirit and fairness are not compatible with those who seek self gain and power at all costs.
If the Powers That Be wont even look at faction lock out to balance nunbers, then at least get that 24hr lock out on xrealmers, the Community voted for this and STILL wants this and it would be a large step in the right direction and large Dutch finger inserted fairly with steadfast courage into the hole in the dyke. The Powers That Be showed this moral courage with banning cheatings Nerf Buttons, now show this same courage a second time.
'They are X-Realmers, Captain, do NOT trust them. They are without honour" - Lt. Worf.
'Swords In The Wind!"
The Mel.
In the Grand Scheme of things the classes and the class balances are not too bad, they almost work a lot of the time.
yes ppl moan about destro have 2 frontal mobile melee pulls while Order strangely have none
yes ppl moan about slayer Rampage
yes ppl moan that rSH is loved and shad is hated
yes ppl moan about WE is regularly buffed and WH strangely is ignored
yes ppl moan about WE having perma snare
yes ppl moan about WL being utterly dismantled over 1 yr ago now so sorcs and rshs and shammies can proliferate
yes ppl moan about shammies
yes shammies moan about dps ams
yes ppl moan about maru faceroll aoe kd
yes ppl moan about destro melee blob
yes ppl maon about order ranged in forts
yes ppl moan about wp vs dok, or bg punt vs IB punt
but this, friends and neighbours, is the NOT the key issue effecting game balance and i fear the creation of Realm Champions would overlook the key issue spoiling the game
the main issue is nothing to do with classes
the issue which ruins the game is simply Population faction numbers, for most of the day one faction completely outnumbers the other faction, no amount of class balance can change this or make one iota of difference to the outcome of 1 faction facerolling zones all day long
when the 558 cccp log on (many of whom are 80 to 99) and play destro 16 to 20 hrs a day every day it makes the players who are unlucky to be playing CET and GMT Order broken
when 80 to 100 x realmers are allowed to run to destro to join the 558 cccp rank 80 to 99s it makes Order unplayable for those unlucky to have their prime time at the same time as this
Population is now regularly 65 to 72% destro in CET GMT time.
its numbers that need balancing not classes. The outcome of the game is currently determined not by which class you play but by which time zone you play.
when the cccp go to bed and NA west coast order log in, it's the same issue for destro (but not as bad)
but the 100 xrealmers then run back to Order and abandon destro making the issue worse for destro
it doesn't matter if Ream Champions balance DoKs vs wps
because for 16hrs day you'll have 88 doks fighting vs only 24 wps , so the class balance doesn't matter, because 24 doesn't beat 88, it's the sheer NUMBERS for 1 faction vs the other that matter
it doesn't matter if Realm Champions balance Sorcs vs Bright wizards
because for 16hrs a day you'll have 110 sorcs vs 32 bright wizards. so class balance doesn't matter because 32 can't beat 110, its NUMBERS that matter
so if realm champions work damn hard to achieve almost perfect balance between classes all their work DOESNT MATTTER because it will still be 580 vs 220 or 80 vs 230
and 220 cant beat 580, and 80 cant beat 230, it's the faction NUMBERS that need balancing
small scale, 1 vs 1, 6 vs 6, some scenarios it may help, but holistically it doesn't matter a dime because of the faction imbalance in numbers.
Solutions
1.log in numbers for one faction need to be frozen when the larger faction reaches 55% and no more can log in or x realm to that faction til the other faction gets to 50%, then you are allowed up to 55% again, rinse repeat. You could limit this to a zone, so ppl could log into the game, but not the overload zone.
(If possible you could make this effect level 40s only, or maybe even 16 to 40 as this effects ORVR), that would require more work but the results would be worth it for the game balance you seek.
2. x realming needs a 24hr lockout
Unfortunately, neither of these solutions the devs/gms have shown any interest in and have many times publicly stated they will never cap faction numbers ( we still hope that x realm lock out might be looked at, fingers crossed)
so with an unwillingness to accept 580 vs 220 for 16 to 20 hrs a day all day every day ad infinitum, is the issue then NOTHING you do as Realm Champions will matter. Sorry.
The issue is faction numbers allowed to log on at the same time all day every day making the game no fun at all and virtually unplayable for the smaller faction as more and more quit or flood to the larger faction. I remember when I first started Destro was 52% to 55% and i was told dont worry these things change it won't last, and they were right, it then became destro 55 to 58% and they said dont worry these things change it wont last,, and they were right, and then it was destro 58 to 62% and they said don't worry its only temporary these things change, and they were right, now its 65 to 72% destro and on we go.....
you can balance the classes all u want but if u got 110 sorcs quad critting u for 11k and 100 marus and choppas pulling u to insta kill blob death and all Order have back are 24 bws and 22 slayers it doesnt matter if those slayers and bws are perfectly balanced because they are VASTLY OUTNUMBERED. It's not even close or heroically playable, there is zero or 1 order wb vs 5 to 7 destro wbs so people give up, go pve, quit, or run to destro. They log out their perfectly balanced Runepriest who is losing and being killed non stop zone after zone and log in their perfectly balanced Zealot who is winning and racking in the kills non stop, and taking zone after zone, keep after keep, fort after fort
class balance is irrelevant when u have spiraling out of control faction numbers imbalance on a daily basis
get the faction imbalance in hand as the primary goal, then look at the individual classes as the secondary step, sure thing, it's a noble well intentioned pursuit. but you have to prioritize and have the will and courage tackle the elephant in the room.
let us think of class balance as you are way too hot irl so u need to take off a jumper or your shirt yes of course if you're way too hot u need get a glass of water maybe or get that pullover off,
but the reason you're way too hot is because your house is burning down, so maybe its best to forget the glass of water for now and save your house from burning down or just get the hell out of the house.
or you could stubbornly refuse to acknowledge your house is in flames and simply take that jumper off and look for better ways to get to the kitchen to get that glass of water or look which pullovers can be removed quicker nodding your head sagely as the flames lick higher and more and more people bail from the building building and quit while you are rummaging in your wardrobe for the correctly fitting balanced pullover.
The X-realmers have no loyalty and put self gain above community above game balance, many don't give a fig for game balance and they must have self gain and self gratification at all costs. This is what drives them self gain.
and those who look for game balance are NOT driven by self gain but by fairness and a community magnanimous spirit, Communality spirit and fairness are not compatible with those who seek self gain and power at all costs.
If the Powers That Be wont even look at faction lock out to balance nunbers, then at least get that 24hr lock out on xrealmers, the Community voted for this and STILL wants this and it would be a large step in the right direction and large Dutch finger inserted fairly with steadfast courage into the hole in the dyke. The Powers That Be showed this moral courage with banning cheatings Nerf Buttons, now show this same courage a second time.
'They are X-Realmers, Captain, do NOT trust them. They are without honour" - Lt. Worf.
'Swords In The Wind!"
The Mel.