Nerf
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:13 pm
I know there are appropriate places to post balance/class proposals,
i just want to speak my opinion on balance around 6v6 at the moment.. as i feel the people that are pushing and working on class balance are not really playing the game in those areas.. where majority of the competitive gameplay goes on. Granted i know the devs are playing the game ( in also 6v6 sometimes) but i cant help but feel that those decisions are made from very far away and not actually from experience.. and when i say experience, im sure each dev has played each game mode within the game more then once, but once every couple months is NOT good enough for the people that actively play these game modes.
Suggestions
Remove Talebec Dam from ranked: this is a very major one as majority of the playerbase has begged for this map to be removed with literlly any other map in the game..
Choppa M4: choppa m4 wasnt really abused as much before ranked got more serious, sure the game has always been morale meta. But you cant say there were choppa m4 spammers a year ago in 6v6. I think its kind of a issue that even lifetap abilities cannot be bypassed during choppa m4..where excom you can sill lifetap heal through the excom ( for snb healers).. with a choppa m4 , a talon from a zealot and m3 50% crit from the WE and the right CC.. its pretty easy to kill anything you want. Without any sort of resistance on the opposing team. The most you can do in that situtation is pop m4 from the receiving team ( maybe absorb m3 from heal) and hope for the best. That is just a bit overpowered from the opposing team..
Witch Elf OYK: again , this ability wasnt abused as MUCH as it was until people starting figuring out these insane compositions on destro to abuse WE's m3 / oyk. When you match this with Choppa M4s and Zealots, they basically can have a morale drop ready every 2 minutes. And when that happens you can actually do nothing but hope you saved your defensive morales to fend off enough to sustain again.
I know these arent very descriptive analyses , but this has been going on for months in the 6v6 scene and not one change is done about it. Except when you look onto the grouped leaderboard , you see the exact composition im talking about. Then people just say " well there a good team / they are top players" when really if you take those morales off the board it becomes a bit more balanced imo.. tell me what classes on order can output the same type of morale damage/ coordination?
You will maybe get lucky with double slayer against them because.... double slayer destroys everything right?
Well no one wants to play double slayer all the time just to face off against those types of compositions , even though that may be the only option..
Conclusion = nerf choppa m4 for lifetap abilties to bypass ( like excom ) , REMOVE TALEBEC DAM FROM 6v6 MAP ROTATIONS , reduce morale gain from OYK
to clarify , i am not a master at all in this matter . i speak from multiple months of experience playing against this composition.. and surely it kills the motivation for other teams to play 6v6 with metas like this one as we see with this win trading going on now..
thank you
i just want to speak my opinion on balance around 6v6 at the moment.. as i feel the people that are pushing and working on class balance are not really playing the game in those areas.. where majority of the competitive gameplay goes on. Granted i know the devs are playing the game ( in also 6v6 sometimes) but i cant help but feel that those decisions are made from very far away and not actually from experience.. and when i say experience, im sure each dev has played each game mode within the game more then once, but once every couple months is NOT good enough for the people that actively play these game modes.
Suggestions
Remove Talebec Dam from ranked: this is a very major one as majority of the playerbase has begged for this map to be removed with literlly any other map in the game..
Choppa M4: choppa m4 wasnt really abused as much before ranked got more serious, sure the game has always been morale meta. But you cant say there were choppa m4 spammers a year ago in 6v6. I think its kind of a issue that even lifetap abilities cannot be bypassed during choppa m4..where excom you can sill lifetap heal through the excom ( for snb healers).. with a choppa m4 , a talon from a zealot and m3 50% crit from the WE and the right CC.. its pretty easy to kill anything you want. Without any sort of resistance on the opposing team. The most you can do in that situtation is pop m4 from the receiving team ( maybe absorb m3 from heal) and hope for the best. That is just a bit overpowered from the opposing team..
Witch Elf OYK: again , this ability wasnt abused as MUCH as it was until people starting figuring out these insane compositions on destro to abuse WE's m3 / oyk. When you match this with Choppa M4s and Zealots, they basically can have a morale drop ready every 2 minutes. And when that happens you can actually do nothing but hope you saved your defensive morales to fend off enough to sustain again.
I know these arent very descriptive analyses , but this has been going on for months in the 6v6 scene and not one change is done about it. Except when you look onto the grouped leaderboard , you see the exact composition im talking about. Then people just say " well there a good team / they are top players" when really if you take those morales off the board it becomes a bit more balanced imo.. tell me what classes on order can output the same type of morale damage/ coordination?
You will maybe get lucky with double slayer against them because.... double slayer destroys everything right?
Well no one wants to play double slayer all the time just to face off against those types of compositions , even though that may be the only option..
Conclusion = nerf choppa m4 for lifetap abilties to bypass ( like excom ) , REMOVE TALEBEC DAM FROM 6v6 MAP ROTATIONS , reduce morale gain from OYK
to clarify , i am not a master at all in this matter . i speak from multiple months of experience playing against this composition.. and surely it kills the motivation for other teams to play 6v6 with metas like this one as we see with this win trading going on now..
thank you