LOTD balance anyone?

[Bavradai]

I believe the population was even this time 100%.
Order was running around in 3+ warband blobs for most of the time whilst destro went and capped all of the objectives.

[Uberlix]

We had truckloads of gits not getting in this time, so i reckon both sides were capped out.

This makes me wonder, what the case in terms of numbers was in the LOTD where Order had a huge lead in kills. Can't help but being curious.

[Avanos]

OP is OBVIOUSLY trolling here.

Well mister "13 post Avanos", you OBVIOUSLY want to compare apples with potatoes.

LOTD is an event at the specific place with a special win conditions. You cannot compare classic campaign or fortresses with LOTD and use that as an valid argument.

If something is similar to the LOTD, then it is scenario like Blood of the Black Cairn - check the link and you will know.

And if I remember right, you have population balance system in scenarios, right?

So who is trolling here, mister Avanos?!

Wow man, going after my post count..
That's a super low blow - you really got me there! You must feel really proud of yourself

Forts and SC can both be balanced/tweaked. There is a serious issue when one side dominates the other consistently!
Forts - Attackers should be capped at 1.2 times the amount of defenders. If there are 24 defenders only - there should be a cap of 28 attackers. This is an example of balancing!
Same idea should be put in place for LOTD.

There should be balance across the board - and that is what I would like to see you fight for.

[Ninjagon]

There should be balance across the board - and that is what I would like to see you fight for.

Sorry man but you miss the original post ... again.

[Avanos]

There should be balance across the board - and that is what I would like to see you fight for.

Sorry man but you miss the original post ... again.

And you miss what I'm getting at.

Advocate for balance across the board for people to take you seriously.
LoTD is something that destruction wins, and because you play order 100% of the time - people just see this as a whine post because LoTD doesn't go in orders favor.

[Detangler]

OP is OBVIOUSLY trolling here.

Well mister "13 post Avanos", you OBVIOUSLY want to compare apples with potatoes.

LOTD is an event at the specific place with a special win conditions. You cannot compare classic campaign or fortresses with LOTD and use that as an valid argument.

If something is similar to the LOTD, then it is scenario like Blood of the Black Cairn - check the link and you will know.

And if I remember right, you have population balance system in scenarios, right?

So who is trolling here, mister Avanos?!

Wow man, going after my post count..
That's a super low blow - you really got me there! You must feel really proud of yourself

Forts and SC can both be balanced/tweaked. There is a serious issue when one side dominates the other consistently!
Forts - Attackers should be capped at 1.2 times the amount of defenders. If there are 24 defenders only - there should be a cap of 28 attackers. This is an example of balancing!
Same idea should be put in place for LOTD.

There should be balance across the board - and that is what I would like to see you fight for.

That could be a system rife with griefing from the defender side. A bunch of salty people who just lost a zone fight could choose to sit out the fort and lead to a lot of people who worked hard to take the previous zone sitting on the outside looking in.

[inoeth]

so funny to see order cry here, something was done right it seems
mimimi cross realm blablabla outnumbered blablabla
seems like if order cannot rampage in narrow locations they just suck

Oh man, Inoeth, I really try to think about your words, as if you were an adult, but its hard, man, really hard.
You have a particular pleasure to say to your enemy faction players: hahaha blablabla, you suck.
That is really informative, mister Inoeth.
But imagine this: There can be a future time, where the card turns and it can be your faction, facing massive enemy forces over and over again, and you will know, no matter what, that you have only limited chances there.
I can admit that there are a really good, experienced and overall nice people/players on the other side. Can you do the same?
Sorry but i do not think so, poor you

rofl do we play the same game? order is fkn dominating Orvr since at least two years with ridicolous numbers, still people keep on crying the forums for destro nerfs.
let us have our shiny moments in lotd

[lumpi33]

We had truckloads of gits not getting in this time, so i reckon both sides were capped out.

This makes me wonder, what the case in terms of numbers was in the LOTD where Order had a huge lead in kills. Can't help but being curious.

Looks pretty even to me. Order had a slight advantage in numbers (221:214) and kills (1556:1434) but far from a huge lead.

It could be that Destro players left after the first couple of wipes. Can't tell that from the data. On the other hand neither side dominated the other in regards of kills. So again, it looks pretty even. Looking at the Order guilds that were in there Im actually surprised it wasn't more in favour of Order. They had strong guilds going.

Total kills: 2990
Order kills: 1556
Destro kills: 1434

Order attackers by career:
KNIGHT: 27
ARCHMAGE: 23
WITCH_HUNTER: 22
WARRIOR_PRIEST: 21
SLAYER: 20
IRONBREAKER: 18
RUNE_PRIEST: 17
WHITE_LION: 17
BRIGHT_WIZARD: 16
SWORDMASTER: 16
ENGINEER: 14
SHADOW_WARRIOR: 10
Total attacking characters: 221

Destro attackers by career:
SHAMAN: 43
CHOPPA: 25
CHOSEN: 22
SQUIG_HERDER: 17
BLACK_ORC: 16
DISCIPLE: 16
SORCERER: 16
WITCH_ELF: 15
ZEALOT: 12
BLACKGUARD: 12
MARAUDER: 11
MAGUS: 9
Total attacking characters: 214

Order kills by character:
Brocolii - SLAYER 40/rr83: 98
Bombling - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr91: 58
Nomnomy - SLAYER 40/rr79: 53
Rolgrom - SLAYER 40/rr91: 52
Boyga - WHITE_LION 40/rr83: 48
Validus - WHITE_LION 40/rr79: 45
Hazmatuki - SLAYER 40/rr89: 43
Arwwhin - SLAYER 40/rr88: 43
Lcor - WHITE_LION 40/rr81: 36
Smokyfourlegs - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr85: 36
Nisha - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr81: 34
Legions - WHITE_LION 40/rr83: 31
Fergrim - SLAYER 40/rr85: 30
Haebanero - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr84: 28
Restlingun - ENGINEER 40/rr70: 28
Kurlov - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr82: 28
Murakka - WHITE_LION 40/rr64: 27
Saaltharos - ARCHMAGE 40/rr84: 27
Koillarious - SLAYER 40/rr59: 26
Doomgrim - SLAYER 40/rr78: 26
Barrywhitelion - WHITE_LION 40/rr72: 26
Hicane - WHITE_LION 40/rr88: 26
Iusne - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr62: 25
Puzzolslayer - SLAYER 40/rr73: 24
Gavskjald - SLAYER 40/rr77: 22
Thodrim - SLAYER 40/rr81: 22
Bullet - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 21
Phature - SLAYER 40/rr86: 21
Spoilx - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr74: 21
Runmasta - RUNE_PRIEST 40/rr86: 20
Raohz - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr85: 20
Antero - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr77: 19
Ninjab - WHITE_LION 40/rr79: 18
Plateforme - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr87: 18
Skorri - SLAYER 40/rr84: 17
Daminous - WHITE_LION 40/rr71: 17
Tuff - SLAYER 40/rr70: 16
Ivenin - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr82: 16
Prosthetic - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 16
Borsh - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr69: 16
Keolion - WHITE_LION 40/rr82: 15
Grimmzard - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr85: 14
Mdz - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr89: 13
Lemonsdrop - WHITE_LION 40/rr81: 13
Crealh - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 13
Deadmaus - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr68: 13
Php - ARCHMAGE 40/rr84: 13
Silencer - WHITE_LION 40/rr81: 13
Szigmond - KNIGHT 40/rr85: 12
Agoric - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr76: 12
Reformazdrowia - ARCHMAGE 40/rr83: 12
Hawklight - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr84: 10
Youlikeit - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr82: 9
Salintz - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr70: 9
Tthoruk - SLAYER 40/rr60: 9
Grezko - ENGINEER 40/rr84: 9
Dysfari - SLAYER 40/rr81: 9
Cogworth - ENGINEER 40/rr88: 8
Camozzi - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr83: 8
Sparklz - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr83: 7
Dioblosse - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr83: 6
Gruikisse - ARCHMAGE 40/rr71: 6
Braincells - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr84: 6
Pressepuree - IRONBREAKER 40/rr63: 5
Horustin - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr62: 5
Abrom - WHITE_LION 40/rr82: 5
Iloo - ENGINEER 40/rr75: 5
Metampounia - SLAYER 40/rr62: 5
Kromburn - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr61: 4
Sherifina - WHITE_LION 40/rr52: 4
Stromnar - WHITE_LION 40/rr43: 4
Brombik - ENGINEER 40/rr53: 4
Difli - ENGINEER 40/rr72: 4
Macsnipe - ENGINEER 40/rr81: 3
Kanzen - KNIGHT 40/rr86: 3
Smarty - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr61: 3
Thuldrum - ENGINEER 40/rr56: 3
Tahtivaeltaja - SWORDMASTER 40/rr81: 3
Guerrilla - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr46: 3
Aqoot - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr37: 3
Zede - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr92: 3
Scalebreaker - IRONBREAKER 40/rr73: 2
Aliandra - WARRIOR_PRIEST 40/rr64: 2
Woyzek - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr47: 2
Varp - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr71: 2
Morrsliebz - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr71: 2
Cieciwaspiewa - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr60: 2
Marxis - IRONBREAKER 40/rr66: 2
Lucerius - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr75: 2
Muzzle - ENGINEER 40/rr76: 2
Vitisus - KNIGHT 40/rr80: 2
Warmdesert - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr72: 2
Roninz - KNIGHT 40/rr84: 2
Rent - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr73: 2
Marinaell - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr81: 2
Xed - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr54: 1
Oxxo - IRONBREAKER 40/rr82: 1
Volundr - ENGINEER 40/rr69: 1
Pontifex - ARCHMAGE 40/rr45: 1
Zorlack - KNIGHT 40/rr86: 1
Czarnitsu - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr57: 1
Bublik - SWORDMASTER 40/rr75: 1
Alizee - WITCH_HUNTER 40/rr55: 1
Tyrgrim - SLAYER 40/rr83: 1
Roeheal - WARRIOR_PRIEST 40/rr84: 1
Arre - SWORDMASTER 40/rr81: 1
Golestandts - SHADOW_WARRIOR 40/rr91: 1
Tytanious - SWORDMASTER 40/rr65: 1
Feastty - KNIGHT 40/rr67: 1
Whitefang - WHITE_LION 40/rr45: 1
Kwizd - BRIGHT_WIZARD 40/rr89: 1
Grungdir - IRONBREAKER 40/rr86: 1
Massiveattack - ENGINEER 40/rr45: 1
Gliss - KNIGHT 40/rr82: 1
Mal - ENGINEER 40/rr78: 1
Ozgon - ENGINEER 40/rr58: 1
Sofina - ARCHMAGE 40/rr81: 1

Destro kills by character:
Khaled - CHOPPA 40/rr85: 68
Urdrog - CHOPPA 40/rr86: 62
Dontkissmebaby - CHOPPA 40/rr83: 62
Badrukk - CHOPPA 40/rr85: 53
Teefz - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr91: 52
Brogn - CHOPPA 40/rr82: 52
Aoebabe - SORCERER 40/rr75: 44
Djark - SORCERER 40/rr93: 41
Vetalik - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 40
Mavoria - WITCH_ELF 40/rr86: 33
Claclah - SORCERER 40/rr80: 30
Grimskulz - CHOPPA 40/rr86: 29
Staryzogwort - SHAMAN 40/rr78: 28
Hitjabka - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr81: 25
Sweeping - CHOPPA 40/rr82: 23
Chilly - SORCERER 40/rr81: 23
Speedily - MARAUDER 40/rr77: 22
Roadrunner - SHAMAN 40/rr68: 22
Inesalba - SHAMAN 40/rr84: 20
Brutality - CHOPPA 40/rr84: 19
Bazelini - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr89: 19
Veretta - WITCH_ELF 40/rr82: 19
Grawshak - SHAMAN 40/rr84: 17
Poliisi - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 17
Jumpingjack - SORCERER 40/rr82: 17
Petsas - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr80: 16
Guz - CHOPPA 40/rr79: 16
Smellz - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr85: 15
Nozcystik - CHOPPA 40/rr84: 15
Vorowka - WITCH_ELF 40/rr84: 14
Annuki - SORCERER 40/rr89: 14
Hakkuna - CHOPPA 40/rr73: 14
Bligz - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr76: 14
Tchire - SORCERER 40/rr77: 14
Boufiole - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr85: 14
Balalay - CHOPPA 40/rr64: 13
Snipsy - WITCH_ELF 40/rr76: 13
Uwurawr - SHAMAN 40/rr73: 13
Bazgob - SHAMAN 40/rr88: 12
Lisica - WITCH_ELF 40/rr83: 12
Lerzil - SORCERER 40/rr71: 11
Chimpp - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 10
Sovereign - SORCERER 40/rr76: 10
Sovietika - WITCH_ELF 40/rr75: 10
Minidwa - SHAMAN 40/rr74: 10
Ctpactb - SORCERER 40/rr74: 9
Togekiss - WITCH_ELF 40/rr84: 9
Loswochos - SORCERER 40/rr56: 9
Onlymelee - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr67: 9
Krblca - WITCH_ELF 40/rr72: 9
Braagh - CHOPPA 40/rr69: 8
Gosas - MARAUDER 40/rr81: 8
Githuntta - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr60: 8
Krimskull - CHOPPA 40/rr82: 8
Murgloc - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr67: 8
Rukzukzahnluk - CHOPPA 40/rr80: 8
Easycredit - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr83: 8
Thorrikson - MAGUS 40/rr80: 7
Deliriam - MAGUS 40/rr85: 7
Tewdric - MARAUDER 40/rr64: 7
Dynaxie - SORCERER 40/rr58: 7
Anjanolian - WITCH_ELF 40/rr94: 7
Arbeitsamt - MAGUS 40/rr79: 7
Tzsche - MARAUDER 40/rr60: 7
Cribz - CHOPPA 40/rr73: 7
Istabthings - WITCH_ELF 40/rr77: 6
Theoddone - MARAUDER 40/rr88: 6
Mudphase - MARAUDER 40/rr78: 6
Zairbeast - MARAUDER 40/rr78: 6
Ragecage - WITCH_ELF 40/rr67: 6
Levilain - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr84: 6
Revrya - DISCIPLE 40/rr76: 6
Glazchop - CHOPPA 40/rr84: 6
Garmadon - CHOSEN 40/rr69: 5
Sorcka - SORCERER 40/rr72: 5
Rockley - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr75: 5
Cosmine - SORCERER 40/rr85: 5
Kotkot - MAGUS 40/rr63: 4
Rumbling - BLACK_ORC 40/rr91: 4
Trickxter - WITCH_ELF 40/rr68: 4
Malysse - WITCH_ELF 40/rr53: 4
Lovewts - MAGUS 40/rr73: 4
Dorfchoppa - CHOPPA 40/rr64: 4
Ubango - WITCH_ELF 40/rr49: 4
Monguer - SHAMAN 40/rr68: 4
Gitkicka - BLACK_ORC 40/rr60: 4
Qoo - SHAMAN 40/rr85: 3
Maliketh - SORCERER 40/rr69: 3
Schwartzfaust - BLACK_ORC 40/rr82: 3
Wutaz - SORCERER 40/rr66: 3
Muchomorek - BLACK_ORC 40/rr78: 3
Aselera - CHOSEN 40/rr63: 3
Morales - CHOPPA 40/rr81: 3
Bigtoofz - CHOPPA 40/rr69: 3
Jadecobra - WITCH_ELF 40/rr83: 3
Zazariel - MARAUDER 40/rr63: 3
Rananickas - MARAUDER 40/rr81: 2
Logath - BLACKGUARD 40/rr58: 2
Kititi - BLACKGUARD 40/rr79: 2
Vred - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr63: 2
Ditpiglong - CHOPPA 40/rr59: 2
Sellc - CHOPPA 40/rr44: 2
Killsaw - CHOSEN 40/rr77: 2
Bigtomcallahan - BLACK_ORC 40/rr49: 2
Brutallus - MARAUDER 40/rr70: 2
Darkmoode - MAGUS 40/rr60: 2
Glist - SHAMAN 40/rr71: 2
Samedli - SHAMAN 40/rr69: 2
Grinkles - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr52: 2
Olekko - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr69: 2
Booz - CHOSEN 40/rr74: 1
Kiramar - BLACKGUARD 40/rr58: 1
Fluf - BLACK_ORC 40/rr92: 1
Solenia - BLACKGUARD 40/rr79: 1
Helbat - SQUIG_HERDER 40/rr57: 1
Grimkrush - BLACK_ORC 40/rr73: 1
Deathlike - BLACKGUARD 40/rr82: 1
Shamiroquai - SHAMAN 40/rr77: 1
Zyodack - BLACKGUARD 40/rr67: 1
Eboboba - BLACK_ORC 40/rr64: 1
Molako - CHOSEN 40/rr82: 1
Teutonia - BLACKGUARD 40/rr84: 1
Chtulu - CHOSEN 40/rr60: 1
Juppee - CHOSEN 40/rr83: 1
Hystoria - DISCIPLE 40/rr85: 1
Totom - SHAMAN 40/rr87: 1
Comegoblin - SHAMAN 40/rr68: 1
Gdamn - SHAMAN 40/rr92: 1

Order kills by guild:
Oath: 271
SMASH: 170
Gimle: 135
NO_GUILD: 120
Bene Tleilax: 119
WitchHunters Anon: 59
meat: 55
TERROR: 43
CNTK: 43
Salt Factory: 43
Ethics: 39
Italian Job: 37
Ekso: 36
Gank Unit: 34
HELLenes: 32
Invasion: 27
LNM: 26
nouvelle age: 26
Pax Mortis II: 25
Dungeon Masters: 21
Waste Of Time: 18
Morituri: 18
Valayas Kradskonti: 17
RESCUETEAM: 16
Stalingrad: 16
Order Biased: 12
Spiritus Sanctus: 12
GIGN: 10
Nightmare: 9
PANDA: 9
Falkenrath: 8
Phenix: 6
Dirty xRealmers: 6
Bitterstone Thunderers: 4
Nordlicht: 4
Clan Barakdum: 3
TeamPsy: 3
Forgotten: 3
The Forces of Order: 3
Lothern Seaguard: 3
Tercio de Estalia: 3
CQFD ll: 2
orchid: 2
The Crimson Host: 2
Bastards: 2
-Rev-: 1
Lunatic: 1
B Team: 1
Unclers: 1

Destro kills by guild:
Nugos: 176
Da Freebootaz: 129
Hand of Blood: 118
FMJ: 114
NO_GUILD: 81
Legion Of Perkele: 70
BALTIKA: 60
Brutality: 59
Exodus: 58
Strife: 42
KAZ: 40
Dissolution: 40
Battle Angels: 37
Thank god am pretty: 37
The Blood Moon: 35
Parasites: 31
Clan Kass Kranes: 20
NOCTURNE: 19
Spetznobz: 19
CQFD: 19
Guerra: 17
Cult Of Decay: 17
Da fat squigs: 15
You Axe For It: 14
DANGERZONE: 14
PornFactory: 13
Myrmidons: 13
Wildly lnappropriate: 13
Omega: 12
Black Legion: 10
The Unstable Equation: 9
Limited Edition: 9
TUP: 8
Legion of Doom: 7
CRUDE: 7
Omen Sinistrum: 7
RigorMortis: 7
The Misfits: 6
Bladez: 5
Daydream: 5
Pink Snails: 4
Da Wulf Ridaz: 3
Run Like HeII: 3
Royal Legio: 3
Warband of DreadLords: 2
The Crimson Lords: 2
Eltharion: 2
Bitterbone Thunderthighs: 1
Psychoactive Chaos: 1
BLACK HORROR: 1

[Uberlix]

Thanks for the data, didn't expect that. The WB i was a part of, was pretty much the last full intact one standing at the very end of that LOTD. Definetly noticed destro leaving about halfway through.

Where do you get these stats from btw? Doubt they are publicly accessible, would be sweet if they are though.

[Ninjagon]

rofl do we play the same game? order is fkn dominating Orvr since at least two years with ridicolous numbers, still people keep on crying the forums for destro nerfs.
let us have our shiny moments in lotd

This is the last time i react to your posts Inoeth, which are silly, uncompetent, not true and the worst: totally off topic!

This is the place for balancing proposals, no matter which side has currently the upper hand. So if you suffer from domination, go and cry elsewhere!