Detangler wrote: ↑Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:50 am
For us filthy casuals that don't memorize all classes, what was changed here? Career builder for this has just cooldown reductions on pit of shades and infernal wave. Was it like a aoe increaser for infernal wave or something?
I did see on twitch this last week some strange setup destro organized warband of 1 chosen, 1 choppa, 2 sorts 2 heals x 3 groups and a 2 tank 2 marauder 2 healer 4th group. Never seen that heavy of a dps setup in orvr warbands before....
I could be missremembering but back in the TUP prime days they ran with something like 8 sorcs back when Blackorcs had the destro CDR so you could have 2-2-2 and 2 sorcs per group benefitting from IW going down from 10 sec with 5sec reduction from tactic and 5sec reduction from the WAAGH. Meaning that IW with two supporting tactics became a spamable aoe attack with really high width and distance.
Basicly extending the killzone that bomb warbands usuall have around 30ft pbaoe or 40ft frontal to a full 8dps slot 65+ft killzone. And for a pretty good reason was this nerfed by making IW unable to go below 5sec capped cooldown.
Dalen been working in the background with the database and fiddling with abilities for the big database overhaul thingie and as a result one of these RoR custom changes got temp removed, but now its back to the RoR version with this patch again.
A couple of things for this change that i think is worth mention is that since this TUP shotgun warband killing 3 order warbands with just shotguns these things have been changed in the bomb meta for warband play:
1) Hold the line was altered with and is arguble stronger now against casters in a front to front fights, but worse in a kiting situation. This change should make IW 0cd weaker.
2) WAAGH CDR was removed and now Destro have to pair a ChopFaster choppa with each sorc, a greedy comp would be exactly to run a 1tank-2sorc-1chop-2healer comp in some groups. But that leads to a fragile and squishy warband comp with less frontline, but trading for a bigger criticalmass usual 2-2-2 is not providing.
3) the total available stats from higher tier items are available since 2017 shotgun sorcs, and timetokill and meta overall is different now.
4) Sorcs generally dont have much going for them in their aoe build compared to their counterpart BW. BW has sinec 2017 where Destro lost IW, been granted Flashfire for no reason on top of already strong 13point options and more procs and an easier filler in their aoe rotation. Sorcs have IW and while its a good pugkiller it does really do much to have 1-2 sorcs extend the killzone from 30ft of their warband to 65+ when the rest of the warband cant assist further than 30-40ft that just ends up being fluff and IW with 5sec hard cap is not good enough to be stacked to extend the killzone to IW range for a full warband. No one runs full sorc stacks.
IW was strong when it worked in 2-2-2. but with CDR on chopfaster and aoe sorc being in the state it is, maybe testing for more than one week to see how strong or whatcounterplay exsis against these 1-3-2 bomb groups. One ambush and those unguarded sorcs with no snarebreakers should be pretty toast for example
Also is it really the IW 0sec that was strong, or was it simply the added criticalmass from running 1-3-2 and not 2-2-2 that carried, who knows since it didnt get more time to get experimented with.
