Not sure when the scrolls were removed, it feels like a year ago, all arguments you wrote were already said.
Since then I never read a reasonable argument to justify it, because in fact it got worse for new players, not better.
Not sure when the scrolls were removed, it feels like a year ago, all arguments you wrote were already said.
I thought it was clear that my stance wasn't against the scrolls.Amdus wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:41 amSo you're saying that bringing back PvE which is a mandatory aspect of the game isn't a good argument, interesting. Can you tell me how many classes don't have their BiS weapons from City Dungeons/BS? Thought so. How is it bad that players start to learn the PvE basics, do epic quests and explore the world before they ding 40? What makes you think that limiting the gameplay is a good argument in the history of videogames ever? It's just shocking the way some of you think, seriously. Even twinking for people that wants to twink and learn about their classes is a good argument. Again, as others have said, it seems that getting stomped at 16-39 is bad but getting stomped for months in RR40+ is good.
I completely agree with you.CozyFren wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 9:43 pm The “twink” argument for removing the exp scroll is invalid. Until you hit career rank 40 it is not possible to buy or equip anything above the Annihilator tier, which everyone in the mid tier has reasonable access to, no insane renown rank required.
Additionally, the rr points you can spend on your renown spec are also locked beyond a certain lvl until you ding CR40 so you can’t even “twink” your spec.
The only thing that removing the scrolls accomplished is ensuring it’s harder for allllll fresh 40s to not get utterly stomped. Now, without those scrolls, you have to essentially do rvr only in the mid tier - you even have to try to avoid scs because they give too much xp relative to renown - or else you are SCREWED when you hit 40 unless you run lvl 40 dungeons non stop to get sets equivalent to higher rvr sets. And for a lot of classes those pve sets are not correct for the build they want to run.
So your options today are:
1. Miss out on all mid tier pve and a lot of sc play and only play in orvr to make sure your rr is minimum 45 (but realistically most classes need to be 58 so they can wear Vanq).
2. Play the content as designed and have your rr be too low at CR40 to wear pvp sets that are good enough to keep you from getting deleted in the lakes.
3. Do option 2 but then have to stay out of the lakes for weeks (minimum) or maybe even months (if you’re NA or OCE and can’t get dungeon groups together more than once a week) and grind dungeon sets one after the other just to get to Vanq-adjacent pve set that then might gimp you anyway since the set is possibly not even designed for your mastery tree.
There ya go, I just debunked the entire anti-scroll misinformed argument. Change my mind (spoiler: you can’t).
and then they cry how they should get more renown, how renown is problem. topkek
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