Return of Reckoning

• The DoK/WP is bad class for new player/first healer. It is strong class, but gear and skill depended much because of their special mechanics. Good about cup DoK it can not only heal but also pump grp AP with Restored Motivation tactics.

• Best healer class would be RP\Zealot imho. Both Great healing potential. They will heal, pump group AP and even protect with non stop absorbs procing. Literally 2.5 button class(for PvE). Recommended PvE build would look like RoR.builders - Runepriest. With that set of tactics Adamant Rune will: heal, pump AP to grp, cast absorbs(can be top guard score in some scs). Pretty sure Zealot can go same build.

• Shaman/AM - still okish, but can only heal. Can't pump ur group AP. Shaman has nice damaging m1(Gork Says Stop) that can be casted on bosses.

• Gunbud is doable as SnB just fine

• Destro BBBE SnB is great pick. While Order side analogue dungeon CnT is as pain for SnB because of twin bosses in the end of Catacombs. Any WP that will go SnB into CnT is selfish, I would not pick one since it can be the reason of a non stop wipe.

• BastionStairs(BS) SnB is both great and bad pick. It is great, because there is one boss(3rd left) that will punish severely casting healers and usually is a point where allot pug parties wipe. While SnB healer has no penalties. Other bosses are just fine, but again it is more skill intensive. The issue might be the last boss mid with his special mechanics where he randomly debuffs one person and any damage dealt will harm party and can wipe. So if u get that debuff for next 20 sec u are not allowed to hit and therefore to heal. U still can use Blood of my Blood though if u need keep ur party alive

• HV - has a nice SnB set. But will be an issue for SnB healer on final boss on portal phase. Still doable if u have strong casting healer and/or u are well skilled as an SnB

• Beast Lord. Is doable with SnB, but the Praag boss. Praag boss will heal himself based on numbers ppl he hits. So u are interested to have as little mDPS as possible. Preferably having only tank tanking it and other ppl killing from afar. Also that boss will need AoE DoK cleansing. BL is still doable if u get another DoK in ur party that will do cleanses or just strong DPS that will melt that boss in no time.

• Hit 40rr+ so u: a)can get ur Dominator(3 piece)+3 Merc set. b)or get full Conq set.

• If u have Conq set and good with cup, do BeastLord. Unless u find a group that will carry u through it as SnB dok. After BL done, u can go 3 Domi + full BeastLord set.

• If u have full Conq - skip Gunbad and start doing HV or/and BBBE. If u don't have full Conq set(or full Dominator) u will need to to Gunbad as well, to open ur next set Ward. Redeye full set(no cloak needed, but good to have if u plan use it as main healing set) will open same Ward as full Conq or Domi. U can use Redeye set than instead of Conq for cup build

• Do not do Bastion Stairs dungeon until u hit decent rr(60+) and/or decent gear(Vanq 5+ if u choose to go cup. HV or Sentinel set if u choose to go SnB)

• Green gear is bad. Get sets listed above

• Boots and Gloves can be bought for gold on AH. Or someone can gift it to u. This is true for all PvP sets up to invader.

• Other healer classes have more option to get healer gear. Beast Lord for Shamans\Zealots will be healing spec. Also being easer classes they can afford doing BeastLord in Anni or Ruin set. Than they can go 3 Conq+full BL set and start doing all others dungeons like this

• Take a look into genesis jewerly set. 2 piece bonus is very nice. For healing spec I would recommend 24wounds/24willpowwer + 24init/36healingpower. For Snb I would go with 14str/3%parry + 24wounds/24str

• There are some cheap jewelry from Gunbud on Auction Hous: Rough Gunbad Diamond/Amber/Ruby; It will give u some block and parry needed for SnB. It was so cheap that I used to sell it to the vendor. U can ask in chat for someone to gift it to u since u being new player

• Take a look at T4 epic quests, there are nice weapons that can safe u some crests https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/Epic_QuestsOther possible weapons options are:
  • lvl39 Scenario weapons if u wana safe crest and do not plan upgrade them
  • lvl40 Scenario weapons. They cost more. Take them if u plan upgrade them
  • Subjugator weapons. Each costs 15 genesis crests. 1 genesis crest is kinda equal to 8 war crest. So they are pretty cheap.
  • T4 RvR zones Influence weapons are also nice and not hard to get them. And they cost no crests
  • Each purple bag from Gunbad will drop one purple weapon, that is slightly worst copy of Subjugator weapons. So in singe GB run u can get all 4 weapons: healing sword/cup and dps sword\shield

• Other possible jewerly sets can be found here https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/Disc ... ccessories. Will need to google guides how u get them. Usually it is not hard to solo get them

• Yes, game addons are important. At some point u should spend few days to learn how to use VinyUI addon pack. But until than u should at least have few must have addons. Buffhead is one of them. Generally easy to install and use. Will show u buffs/debuffs over ur and party memebrs head. Can configure it to filter certain buffs\debuffs.

• Another addon I would recommend is - Enemy. But it will require more time to configure - u will need to hide existing party/wb window to use Enemy one instead.

Gurzuk wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 11:54 am [...]

SnB DoK/WP are great in PvE, but pretty much situational and it depends. Also will require higher skill and experience with dungeon
SnB can overheal other classes while adding to damage as well. There are dungeons u can do SnB and it is even preferable:

• Gunbud is doable as SnB just fine

• Destro BBBE SnB is great pick. While Order side analogue dungeon CnT is as pain for SnB because of twin bosses in the end of Catacombs. Any WP that will go SnB into CnT is selfish, I would not pick one since it can be the reason of a non stop wipe.

• BastionStairs(BS) SnB is both great and bad pick. It is great, because there is one boss(3rd left) that will punish severely casting healers and usually is a point where allot pug parties wipe. While SnB healer has no penalties. Other bosses are just fine, but again it is more skill intensive. The issue might be the last boss mid with his special mechanics where he randomly debuffs one person and any damage dealt will harm party and can wipe. So if u get that debuff for next 20 sec u are not allowed to hit and therefore to heal. U still can use Blood of my Blood though if u need keep ur party alive

• HV - has a nice SnB set. But will be an issue for SnB healer on final boss on portal phase. Still doable if u have strong casting healer and/or u are well skilled as an SnB

• Beast Lord. Is doable with SnB, but the Praag boss. Praag boss will heal himself based on numbers ppl he hits. So u are interested to have as little mDPS as possible. Preferably having only tank tanking it and other ppl killing from afar. Also that boss will need AoE DoK cleansing. BL is still doable if u get another DoK in ur party that will do cleanses or just strong DPS that will melt that boss in no time.

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Absinth wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 4:14 am
So I'am DoK junkie playing it since live and loving it despite how butchered it was by devs.

• As I've mentioned SnB DoK requires higher skill of play. That is way I recommend to go cup spec.
  I also evaluate experience with dungeons(and class) more than gear. If u do not have experience with dungeon u better run cup as well. Or even better - roll a Zealot

• About dungeon experience personally me had BS run with SoV BG first time running it and Ruin/Redeye experienced chosen. First took 4h to finish, second 1.5h.

• I've done BS runs on Ruin AM\RP being on par with Vanq+ healers. Had to main tank it on my Ruin IB, because Vanq KoTBS turned out to do it worst than me. Again - experience matters(as well as class tbh).

• Leader of a group must check pls gear as well as experience with current or at least other dungeons. My most poor run of pug BS was when leader took SnB WP with Anni gear with toughness talis slotted. We wiped on 3rd boss to the left. I blame leader.

• U can do all(But CnT on order side) dungeons with 3 Dominator + Full BeastLord + genesis set. Personally I've done it(but HV) on both my DoK/WP(despite i had Vanq set). Was on par with other healers as well did some dmg. Good In 2/2/2 runs, because that additional damage on bosses makes some difference. But at that point I was already familiar with my class and even more experienced with dungeons I was running. Back to my point - EXPERIANCE matter more.

• HV - while having allot of adds to hit has issue on last boss on portal stage. At that stage u do not have anything to hit but portals, and while u run to them u can't provide any meaningful healing, so it is all about ur casting healer. And boss at that stage AoE ur party badly dropping HP pretty low. Might even kill ur other healer without him getting heals from u. I had few runs with SnB DoK. In one run other healer was very unhappy to do all the work at last fight. Another run we wiped three times until I've asked to pass me lead and replaced sDoK with another healer who kindly helped us. Our sDoK was to stubborn to switch cup for at least one boss.

• Did not know they patched Beast Lord bosses. Anyway u should have ur quests ready, because sometimes there is carry party running to help their friend and they are looking for some ppl just to fill spots. They likely wont wait u for another hour to get all quests. I had such experience myself. I was not even 40 and i was sad I did not took all that quests at lvl 32 Also my 1st experience on OT SM was - ppl got pissed of waiting me and killed last boss without me. I had to rerun all again(other party wanted me to stay for whole run and it makes sense).

• BS in not the worst dungeon, just bigger than others. With nice group(experienced i mean) even pugs u can do it under 1.5h. When I run it on my fresh alts I just populate friend list with people I had good experience in other dungeons and invite them to BS. Usually they are good and also interested in running all PvE chain. The worst dungeon would be CnT IMHO, even I do like it's atmosphere.
  Final boss in BS is both easy-peasy and a nightmare depending if ppl use buffhead and have at least room temperature IQ score Few things about that boss fight:
  
  • Configure buffhead to show Rage debuff(id is 5057) on u and all ur party. If some of ur party members has debuff - means for next 20 sec all other ppl can go full daka, since he debuffs only one person.
  • This boss is not dmg race, go more safely. Stop doing damage for a sec if u see ur party starts to drop low fast and doublecheck if it is u who has debuff.
  • Pull adds of ur healers asap.
  • Boss wont reset if anyone is still alive, and other can just release and come back.

Gurzuk wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:28 am

Absinth wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 4:14 am
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• HV - while having allot of adds to hit has issue on last boss on portal stage. At that stage u do not have anything to hit but portals, and while u run to them u can't provide any meaningful healing, so it is all about ur casting healer. And boss at that stage AoE ur party badly dropping HP pretty low. Might even kill ur other healer without him getting heals from u. I had few runs with SnB DoK. In one run other healer was very unhappy to do all the work at last fight. Another run we wiped three times until I've asked to pass me lead and replaced sDoK with another healer who kindly helped us. Our sDoK was to stubborn to switch cup for at least one boss.

• Did not know they patched Beast Lord bosses. Anyway u should have ur quests ready, because sometimes there is carry party running to help their friend and they are looking for some ppl just to fill spots. They likely wont wait u for another hour to get all quests. I had such experience myself. I was not even 40 and i was sad I did not took all that quests at lvl 32 Also my 1st experience on OT SM was - ppl got pissed of waiting me and killed last boss without me. I had to rerun all again(other party wanted me to stay for whole run and it makes sense).

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Gurzuk wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 11:54 am I am the guy who told u about BeastLord and aoe cleanse.

So. I have 5 healers(no zealot) in the game 40/60+. All my 16 alts did runs of BeastLord GB\BBBE\BS. I can tell u few things on that. Most time I play my DoK/WP as SnB or DPS(poor but fun option). Did most PvE SnB.

• The DoK/WP is bad class for new player/first healer. It is strong class, but gear and skill depended much because of their special mechanics. Good about cup DoK it can not only heal but also pump grp AP with Restored Motivation tactics.

• Best healer class would be RP\Zealot imho. Both Great healing potential. They will heal, pump group AP and even protect with non stop absorbs procing. Literally 2.5 button class(for PvE). Recommended PvE build would look like RoR.builders - Runepriest. With that set of tactics Adamant Rune will: heal, pump AP to grp, cast absorbs(can be top guard score in some scs). Pretty sure Zealot can go same build.

• Shaman/AM - still okish, but can only heal. Can't pump ur group AP. Shaman has nice damaging m1(Gork Says Stop) that can be casted on bosses.

Both Shaman\AM and RP\Zealot u go full heal crit(heal more and u restore ur own AP on Restorative Burst tactic) and rest in Futile Strike(reduce chance to be crited).


SnB DoK/WP are great in PvE, but pretty much situational and it depends. Also will require higher skill and experience with dungeon
SnB can overheal other classes while adding to damage as well. There are dungeons u can do SnB and it is even preferable:

• Gunbud is doable as SnB just fine

• Destro BBBE SnB is great pick. While Order side analogue dungeon CnT is as pain for SnB because of twin bosses in the end of Catacombs. Any WP that will go SnB into CnT is selfish, I would not pick one since it can be the reason of a non stop wipe.

• BastionStairs(BS) SnB is both great and bad pick. It is great, because there is one boss(3rd left) that will punish severely casting healers and usually is a point where allot pug parties wipe. While SnB healer has no penalties. Other bosses are just fine, but again it is more skill intensive. The issue might be the last boss mid with his special mechanics where he randomly debuffs one person and any damage dealt will harm party and can wipe. So if u get that debuff for next 20 sec u are not allowed to hit and therefore to heal. U still can use Blood of my Blood though if u need keep ur party alive

• HV - has a nice SnB set. But will be an issue for SnB healer on final boss on portal phase. Still doable if u have strong casting healer and/or u are well skilled as an SnB

• Beast Lord. Is doable with SnB, but the Praag boss. Praag boss will heal himself based on numbers ppl he hits. So u are interested to have as little mDPS as possible. Preferably having only tank tanking it and other ppl killing from afar. Also that boss will need AoE DoK cleansing. BL is still doable if u get another DoK in ur party that will do cleanses or just strong DPS that will melt that boss in no time.

For Cup DoK i would go with next build RoR.builders - Disciple of Khaine. DoK is very dependent on Soul Essences so u will want stay closer to fights and spam Essence Lash between ur heals on cooldown. Blood Offering only if u have free cycles because it takes long an unaffordable doing it every 10 sec. TIP: u can still use Blood Offering on cooldown, but only to get first proc(will restore u 30 Soul Essence right after u click it). This will keep ur pool full. For RR points go FutileStrike until u get chance to be crited to 0 or close to it. Rest in heal crit chance. Can also slot few init talis in your gear to help to bring chance to be crited to 0 and save some RR points for heal crit chance.
For cup DoK I would not recommend to go lower than full Conq Set. Vanq is much better(can restorer soul essence), but will need more RR and crests spent, so can stick to Conq. Red Eye(gunbad set) is an option too, but to acquire it u will need be useful for ur party, so u either have Conq already or u have ur SnB 3Dominator+X set.
All tallies slotted into Wounds, mby 1-2 into init to get chance be crited to 0. Ignore will power talis in 99% of cases. Ur goal is to sit around 800 willpower including 80 willpower potion. If u already have 7k+ HP and chance to be crited 0 u can slot 2 willpower talis into u weapons if u are still under 800 willpower. Also one can say using armor talis instead of wound on DoK. I would still recommend going wounds up until u get SoV.

For SnB DoK I would recommend to go this build RoR.builders - Disciple of Khaine. Can swap Potent Covenants with Fueled actions if u will find ur self low on Essences. Go Futile Strikes( + few init talis and gear) to bring ur chance be crited to 0, rest in Block and Parry. Devour Essence is ur bread and butter.
For gear u can go with 3 pieces of Dominator(Boots, Belt, Gloves) + Full Beast Lord. If u do not have Beast Lord yet go, replace them with 3 Merc set for armor and str bonus. Talis - str. After u get Sentinel set with jewerly u can go full set + 4 beast lord(Armor, Cloack, Book, Jewerly). Or if u have HV set - use it instead.
There is more on gearing\playing in this guide here viewtopic.php?t=30627 It was made for WP but 90% is accurate for DoK. Also It was done before crest\ward system rewamp. Now it is much easer: 1)One currency for all sets 2)One set(or mixed) will open a Ward for all other sets in next tier. Previously u had to get all sets for healer to open next healer one, and separately all for dd to open next dps one. Now Conq(or Dominator or Redeye) set will open both Vanq and Oppressor.

So I would recommend u:

• Hit 40rr+ so u: a)can get ur Dominator(3 piece)+3 Merc set. b)or get full Conq set.

• If u have Conq set and good with cup, do BeastLord. Unless u find a group that will carry u through it as SnB dok. After BL done, u can go 3 Domi + full BeastLord set.

• If u have full Conq - skip Gunbad and start doing HV or/and BBBE. If u don't have full Conq set(or full Dominator) u will need to to Gunbad as well, to open ur next set Ward. Redeye full set(no cloak needed, but good to have if u plan use it as main healing set) will open same Ward as full Conq or Domi. U can use Redeye set than instead of Conq for cup build

• Do not do Bastion Stairs dungeon until u hit decent rr(60+) and/or decent gear(Vanq 5+ if u choose to go cup. HV or Sentinel set if u choose to go SnB)

Important: make sure u acquire all Beast Lord quest(including one in the capital city) BEFORE u start looking for the group. NPC are located very far one from another and it might take allot of time to get all quests, especially for new player. This will make ur party sad and likely them starting to kill bosses without u. Why? Because Beast Lord bosses are world wide, unlike dungeons, and any other group including Order, can come and kill them. Respawn takes hour or so.

More on gear:

• Green gear is bad. Get sets listed above

• Boots and Gloves can be bought for gold on AH. Or someone can gift it to u. This is true for all PvP sets up to invader.

• Other healer classes have more option to get healer gear. Beast Lord for Shamans\Zealots will be healing spec. Also being easer classes they can afford doing BeastLord in Anni or Ruin set. Than they can go 3 Conq+full BL set and start doing all others dungeons like this

• Take a look into genesis jewerly set. 2 piece bonus is very nice. For healing spec I would recommend 24wounds/24willpowwer + 24init/36healingpower. For Snb I would go with 14str/3%parry + 24wounds/24str

• There are some cheap jewelry from Gunbud on Auction Hous: Rough Gunbad Diamond/Amber/Ruby; It will give u some block and parry needed for SnB. It was so cheap that I used to sell it to the vendor. U can ask in chat for someone to gift it to u since u being new player

• Take a look at T4 epic quests, there are nice weapons that can safe u some crests https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/Epic_QuestsOther possible weapons options are:
  • lvl39 Scenario weapons if u wana safe crest and do not plan upgrade them
  • lvl40 Scenario weapons. They cost more. Take them if u plan upgrade them
  • Subjugator weapons. Each costs 15 genesis crests. 1 genesis crest is kinda equal to 8 war crest. So they are pretty cheap.
  • T4 RvR zones Influence weapons are also nice and not hard to get them. And they cost no crests
  • Each purple bag from Gunbad will drop one purple weapon, that is slightly worst copy of Subjugator weapons. So in singe GB run u can get all 4 weapons: healing sword/cup and dps sword\shield

• Other possible jewerly sets can be found here https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/Disc ... ccessories. Will need to google guides how u get them. Usually it is not hard to solo get them

Addons.

• Yes, game addons are important. At some point u should spend few days to learn how to use VinyUI addon pack. But until than u should at least have few must have addons. Buffhead is one of them. Generally easy to install and use. Will show u buffs/debuffs over ur and party memebrs head. Can configure it to filter certain buffs\debuffs.

• Another addon I would recommend is - Enemy. But it will require more time to configure - u will need to hide existing party/wb window to use Enemy one instead.

Conclusion:
I would strongly recommend to master both cup and SnB even if u plan mostly SnB. Also get one decent healer set, which would be 5 pieces of Vanq imho. Six would be better. SnB DoK has its spot in small scale up to 6 man. But in RvR Warband play, no one wants u, so going cup healer with Vanq set will open more content to u.

I am adding more details to this post once I find out I missed smth, so u can reread it time to time.
Spent one hour on this. Mby will post this as a guide one day

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