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Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:36 am
by Rotgut
Slayers seem like a tough class to balance. Right now their effectiveness in oRvR is pretty bad, but they are in a good spot in City and Small Scale (and that is with bugged ID).

Rampage and Procs nerfs (which include Reckless Gamble) made the class too weak compared to, well, the other two classes Order have any reason to field in a standard WB atm (BW and WL). Old Rampage is out of the question, buffing Slayer's dmg besides making all their spells work as intended could make them too strong in small scale, so what about giving them more "support dps" spells?

Marauders do less dmg than Choppas but you don't have a problem with fielding a couple in your WB for their AoE KD, Pulls, Interrupts and Morale Drain. Slayers have Shatter Limbs and an AoE Slow that drains their Rage. Its not as effective.

I propose we change No Escape so it doesn't drain or require Rage, and remove Cleft in Twain for some AoE debuff. A 25% AoE Incoming Heal Debuff (that doesn't stack with Deep Wounds, while also leaning back into the theme that Destro is stronger on contact and bursty, while Order has to hold and grind the enemy down) perhaps. Or maybe even a ST pull? Then we can use the best name for a spell ever proposed in this forum - Your Ax Is Mine.

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:53 am
by akisnaakkeli
5 career point inc aoe HD or Pull for Slayer? sounds super reasonable. Order is also the side that has more burst dmg.

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:32 pm
by mekal
80% armor pen + still bypassing most dps/healer defense with BIG aoe

slayers are still top tier my guy just because they cant deal basically 2x true damage to tanks now doesnt make them weak

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:37 pm
by ravezaar
choppa>slayer everyday of the week

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:21 pm
by Frankie
ravezaar wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:37 pm choppa>slayer everyday of the week
That's "only" preposterous lore-wise.

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:25 pm
by ravezaar
yea lore wise, cause in Lore Choppaz are basicly just Orcs with sharp weapons. Black Orcs are the big bad beasts in Lore

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:41 pm
by Rapzel
ravezaar wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 2:37 pm choppa>slayer everyday of the week
Ofc, and mara > WL as well. They really need to bring WL up to the same level as Mara. So much destro bias.

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:44 pm
by Rapzel
Rotgut wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 1:36 am Slayers seem like a tough class to balance. Right now their effectiveness in oRvR is pretty bad, but they are in a good spot in City and Small Scale (and that is with bugged ID).

Rampage and Procs nerfs (which include Reckless Gamble) made the class too weak compared to, well, the other two classes Order have any reason to field in a standard WB atm (BW and WL). Old Rampage is out of the question, buffing Slayer's dmg besides making all their spells work as intended could make them too strong in small scale, so what about giving them more "support dps" spells?

Marauders do less dmg than Choppas but you don't have a problem with fielding a couple in your WB for their AoE KD, Pulls, Interrupts and Morale Drain. Slayers have Shatter Limbs and an AoE Slow that drains their Rage. Its not as effective.

I propose we change No Escape so it doesn't drain or require Rage, and remove Cleft in Twain for some AoE debuff. A 25% AoE Incoming Heal Debuff (that doesn't stack with Deep Wounds, while also leaning back into the theme that Destro is stronger on contact and bursty, while Order has to hold and grind the enemy down) perhaps. Or maybe even a ST pull? Then we can use the best name for a spell ever proposed in this forum - Your Ax Is Mine.
Clearly slayer needs slay fasta.

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:02 pm
by Frankie
ravezaar wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:25 pm yea lore wise, cause in Lore Choppaz are basicly just Orcs with sharp weapons. Black Orcs are the big bad beasts in Lore
Not to mention how badass slayers are...

Re: Buff Slayer's support DPS spells

Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 7:03 pm
by Hazmy
Let's keep the Thread on Topic please!

This is the Suggestions & Feedback Section of the Forum, so let's keep conversations to balance/design proposals and pros & cons of mentioned proposals.