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Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 6:58 am
by Farrul
As strange as it may sound after playing this game for years i never really considered this, i just assumed players preferred to heal on this class and all good, who doesn't love a healer?
Howerver now it finally struck me, after going through
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/ i just can't find anything, i mean absolutely zero tools to close the gap on a spec( or specs) specialized in melee range, that's absolutely insane, to you dear devs what were you thinking?
So im thinking wait, this can't be real, asking around on the advice channel i was told WP used to have a snare on a skill ( i believe it was smite, correct me if am wrong) so at least a 45ft snare yet this somehow was removed? What brilliant mind in the dev team thought about that?
Dear lord.
This game( or rather server) is making it extremely hard to play as melee already, tons of ranged kiters spamming dots etc, especially the Shaman is extremely nasty for all Order melee's with their absolutely broken M1 morale.
I always knew the mirror class, Dok had a very potent group snare ( celerity of covenant) yet failed to realize how gimped the WP is in this regard.
Not sure what else to add, speechless really.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:09 am
by Nelly74
Welcome to Range of Reckoning! A game where melee fighters are just RP bags waiting to be mowed down by ranged classes. What's actually quite funny is that the game was originally designed to be played in groups or warbands, but in the end, the solo player base has grown significantly due to the tools the developers have given to ranged classes. Melee DPS classes are far too weak to be even slightly interesting.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:27 am
by jafh123
Average zergling answer: this is not a solo game.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:29 am
by Sinisterror
Until someone gets the right person to agree with the following statement there is not much that would help:/ + Remove every stupid thing that Soloers get less sc pops, renown, everything, and make it equal. Double or triple renown gain as well for under rr70
" 1.5s gcd Hardcap is a bad idea, weve tried it before and it results clientcasts canceled. 1.5s gcd obviously makes everything easier for classes that have 1.5s or higher casttimes. With 1.15s gcd we could use 8 instant skills in 10.15s and now we can do 6 skills in same time. "
Shaman used to have 2 dots instead of 3 in Aor and im 95% Sure WP could cleanse some of those but not in RoR. In Aor You actually had a chance to kill dps shaman as a dps Wp. Imagine that! Judgement/FoK needs to return resourses and use ap like it used to. If you wont give dps wp/dok grp heal skill back, you minimally should make Divine Strike/Consume Essence use 35 Ap and return 35 RF.
Those are the minimum changes that should be made. I really hate the fact, that Dps wp/Dok is balanced around shield spec.... Spec that did not exist in the original game and shouldnt be main deciding factor how to balance dps wp/dok.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:46 am
by Speedyluck
l2p issue;
GITGUD;
find some friends to play with, this is not a solo game;
melee still good in cities and ranked and whatever.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:58 am
by Farrul
jafh123 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:27 am
Average zergling answer: this is not a solo game.
On a serious note, no melee class/spec should ever be without a basic tool-kit, for melee this basic kit need to include a gap closer , seems it does for every single melee carrer except the WP. Nothing justifies this level of balance discrimination.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:10 am
by Farrul
Sinisterror wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:29 am
Until someone gets the right person to agree with the following statement there is not much that would help:/ + Remove every stupid thing that Soloers get less sc pops, renown, everything, and make it equal. Double or triple renown gain as well for under rr70
" 1.5s gcd Hardcap is a bad idea, weve tried it before and it results clientcasts canceled. 1.5s gcd obviously makes everything easier for classes that have 1.5s or higher casttimes. With 1.15s gcd we could use 8 instant skills in 10.15s and now we can do 6 skills in same time. "
Shaman used to have 2 dots instead of 3 in Aor and im 95% Sure WP could cleanse some of those but not in RoR. In Aor You actually had a chance to kill dps shaman as a dps Wp. Imagine that! Judgement/FoK needs to return resourses and use ap like it used to. If you wont give dps wp/dok grp heal skill back, you minimally should make Divine Strike/Consume Essence use 35 Ap and return 35 RF.
Those are the minimum changes that should be made. I really hate the fact, that Dps wp/Dok is balanced around shield spec.... Spec that did not exist in the original game and shouldnt be main deciding factor how to balance dps wp/dok.
Not sure what a general GCD has to do with the topic of WP lacking a basic gap closer? Unless it somehow relates to this issue.
Otherwise i think the WP seems ok( from a dps point of view) but not having gap closer is a balance attrocity, it just isn't acceptable with the level of kite tools rdps classes get nor is it accetable in itself. Dok looks decent to me but i won't comment further since i lack all experience playing as one, maybe some buff is justifiable in their melee spec.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:15 am
by Sinisterror
Dps wp/Dok dont need gap closer, they need the Live version of themselves back and ofc Gcd matters IN EVERYTHING. If you can use 2 skills less in 10sec and the Range who has cast times of 1.5s or longer might not even feel the difference but its HUGE for Melee all the time
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:24 am
by Farrul
Many probably want the live version of the game, but that is not the reality in which this server exists( for good or worse). So let's get back to the topic.
The fact remains that WP lacks a basic vital melee tool, which is crucial to have for basic melee functionality, everyone else gets it except the WP.
Re: Wait, WP melee gets no gap closer? (in a ranged kite meta, lol)
Posted: Mon Oct 14, 2024 1:53 pm
by Dackjanielz
We haven't seen the WP/DOK get updated yet - it was mildly "hinted" that WP might get a charge action.
Don't write that down as gospel but changes should be on the way at some point.