Return of Reckoning

Look, I know Archmage/shaman had a rework recently, but the way its setup now needs some serious improvement, it's just like throwing a rock at a wall repeatedly at this point.

shaman's "Do Sumfin Useful" is still OP/unfair compared to Archmage Phoenix's Rejuvenation because it doesn't grant toughness.
I recommend either to logically buff Archmage Phoenix Rejuvenation to grant it toughness too for improved balance or just remove the toughness from shaman hot completely (preferrable).

The argument that classes in this game should continue to have unique spell is nonsensical rubbish. If anyone has been paying attention, balance changes here have been going the way conforming to WorldofWarcraft by making the class mirrors of each other, which follows the modern MMORPG standards.

It's a slippery slope but its a path that the balance team has trodden on so there's no turning back. It's time to just make the classes all 100% mirrors here, its the only way to achieve balance, then no one will complain anymore eh?.

shaman being the most popular class in the game for dessie does not justify the WL whining to nerf it like Slayer.

It's not 2008 anymore, get over yourself.

In my view this game is fun because there are no 100% mirrors, and it's still unique in its own way.

Video games don't have to be for EVERYONE, if you prefer World of Warcraft that options is always there for you to play, and Warhammer Online is also here when you feel like it.

The modern MMO standard is also to poke your eyes out with microtransactions and many other terrible designs, so it's good to have old-school games that don't do any of that.

this is bait for sure

Just say no to begging for mirrors. The secret to never making cry posts is to play both sides.

Phoenix coud use range buff tho, 100ft sux.
Also #nerfforthenerfgod

Hazmy wrote: Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:22 pm In my view this game is fun because there are no 100% mirrors, and it's still unique in its own way.

Video games don't have to be for EVERYONE, if you prefer World of Warcraft that options is always there for you to play, and Warhammer Online is also here when you feel like it.

The modern MMO standard is also to poke your eyes out with microtransactions and many other terrible designs, so it's good to have old-school games that don't do any of that.

Absolutely agree, having slightly different classes makes it interesting. It's a core part of the game and makes it unique.

I've no problem with AM getting a toughness buff if Shaman DoTs can be uncleansable like AM DoTs!


But im also in favour of not making classes mirrors of each other. Whilst I only play destro, I do like the thought that if I wanted to play order, each class is going to be different to what i already know.

Archmage healer sucks compared to Shaman for sure (I have both)

But they don't need to be mirrors. Phoenix rejuvenation is just a really bad spell and should be either buffed or replaced. Compared to do something useful (which is basically healer shaman's bread and butter ability that practically defines them due to its power) it's super lackluster.

RunePriest new ritual gives toughness, unlike Zealot

Phoenix's Rejuvenation is even better than DoK Khaine's Vigor

Does the same hold true for the new WP damage buff tactics? Will DoKs get them too? Or should they be removed?