Return of Reckoning

Hi,

So basic idea for this comes from the fact that premades making scenarios very unfun for solo/smaller groups has been an issue for a while. Almost everyday the issue comes up that unless you make a premade of 6 people you'll basically never win without luck. So the solution to try out? disable joining scenarios without a full 6 man group!

The potential issue obviously is that people just refuse to make groups so the pops for scenarios drops off, in this case you'd obviously want to revert that specific change.

The potential benefits though? suddenly scenarios are far more balanced as it'll always be only full premades playing against each other! It could also encourage people, especially new players, to interact and team up with people, leading to folks joining other guilds or forming their own.

So, devs, does this sound like something that could be viable without the roof caving in? or are scenarios all so clumped up into a code ball that changing 1 thing makes the entire thing collapse.

Thanks for listening, I await the abuse for suggesting premades get easy wins against pugs

Could be tested with scenario event week-end in first place.

Could also rename solo ranked 'deathmatch' and disable leaderboard so people can queue for balanced fight.

Imo devs should test queu only possible for 2 man, 4 man and 6 man
That way you still provide some less stresfull 2 man queu and the worse possible stack is 3 2man which is much better comp that 6 completely random guys. So at the end quality of scens will go up for sure while ppl need at least one more guy to queu.

4man + 2 man could be quite competitive for 6 man imo

Force 6mans to play ranked, it'd do the same thing. What you'd realize is they don't actually want to fight other groups, they want to farm pugs.

shoelessHN wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 6:53 pm Force 6mans to play ranked, it'd do the same thing. What you'd realize is they don't actually want to fight other groups, they want to farm pugs.

This is probably true for a lot of em, but if this happened they'd either need to just quit scenarios and go back to the lakes, or accept it and fight against other premades. Either way the average person gets to have more fun, which would definitely be better for newer players as right now they have either RvR which isn't great for new players from 16 onward, or they have scenarios where they get stomped by premades and also have no chance, which probably leads to a lot just quitting.

Maybe you should forget about this, just like the devs forgot about the SC rework. It was announced long ago that this issue would be resolved, that work was underway, but there hasn't been any kind of update in years, and SCs is getting worse every day.

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 4:10 pm disable joining scenarios without a full 6 man group!

+1.
Maybe 3 people would be good too, since you can build a stable setup on 1-1-1.
With another 1-1-1 3man que, the group would be fine, and smaller guilds can run their small groups

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 4:10 pm It could also encourage people, especially new players, to interact and team up with people, leading to folks joining other guilds or forming their own.

Thats what i repeat like a parrot since years. That is the solution and what this game and the content is about. But victim mentality is too strong here. Its more easy to keep on solo que, loose every SC (except for the SCs when the bad bad premade carries the pug to win) and keep crying in chat and forum.

shoelessHN wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 6:53 pm they don't actually want to fight other groups, they want to farm pugs.

and here we go again.... PrEmAdeS wAnT tO fArM PugS.... yes yes, keep on que solo man, enjoy...

Oh boy, this thread is going to be good.

It's a good idea, but you've got more chance selling hog roast at a bar mitzvah than you have selling a lot of RoR players on joining a group. It's the one thing that's totally off the table for consideration when it comes to sorting out scenarios.

kleinbuchstabe wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 7:35 pm

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 4:10 pm disable joining scenarios without a full 6 man group!

+1.
Maybe 3 people would be good too, since you can build a stable setup on 1-1-1.
With another 1-1-1 3man que, the group would be fine, and smaller guilds can run their small groups

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 4:10 pm It could also encourage people, especially new players, to interact and team up with people, leading to folks joining other guilds or forming their own.

Thats what i repeat like a parrot since years. That is the solution and what this game and the content is about. But victim mentality is too strong here. Its more easy to keep on solo que, loose every SC (except for the SCs when the bad bad premade carries the pug to win) and keep crying in chat and forum.

shoelessHN wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 6:53 pm they don't actually want to fight other groups, they want to farm pugs.

and here we go again.... PrEmAdeS wAnT tO fArM PugS.... yes yes, keep on que solo man, enjoy...

3 man would work as well, as most people would want a healer a dps and a tank for that, so you'd probably end up with balanced groups still.

For the "victim mentality" its more that if they offer the option of solo play people will assume its a valid way that works, but it doesn't as theres no matchmaking for it at all, so its like offering a knife as an option for a gunfight, people will be annoyed if they choose that and lose as why did you offer something that would never work?

Thats why encouraging people to do the behaviour you want is better, don't allow solo queueing and just force people to team up, they'll learn that they need to team up, and thats how the game should be played. Offering solo play in a game that is so heavily balanced around teams was always kind of silly really.

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 8:38 pm

kleinbuchstabe wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 7:35 pm

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 4:10 pm disable joining scenarios without a full 6 man group!

+1.
Maybe 3 people would be good too, since you can build a stable setup on 1-1-1.
With another 1-1-1 3man que, the group would be fine, and smaller guilds can run their small groups

dasparkylad wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 4:10 pm It could also encourage people, especially new players, to interact and team up with people, leading to folks joining other guilds or forming their own.

Thats what i repeat like a parrot since years. That is the solution and what this game and the content is about. But victim mentality is too strong here. Its more easy to keep on solo que, loose every SC (except for the SCs when the bad bad premade carries the pug to win) and keep crying in chat and forum.

shoelessHN wrote: Sun Oct 05, 2025 6:53 pm they don't actually want to fight other groups, they want to farm pugs.

and here we go again.... PrEmAdeS wAnT tO fArM PugS.... yes yes, keep on que solo man, enjoy...

3 man would work as well, as most people would want a healer a dps and a tank for that, so you'd probably end up with balanced groups still.

For the "victim mentality" its more that if they offer the option of solo play people will assume its a valid way that works, but it doesn't as theres no matchmaking for it at all, so its like offering a knife as an option for a gunfight, people will be annoyed if they choose that and lose as why did you offer something that would never work?

Thats why encouraging people to do the behaviour you want is better, don't allow solo queueing and just force people to team up, they'll learn that they need to team up, and thats how the game should be played. Offering solo play in a game that is so heavily balanced around teams was always kind of silly really.

No they won't. They just won't play. The groups will get sick of fighting other groups and go to orvr where they can farm defenseless pugs there instead. And scs will die all together just as ranked did.