Return of Reckoning

Hi, Returning player here. Have decided to try out the def/regen playstyle. Would appreciate some help with what endgame gear i should go for and spec. thx alot

you definetly should equip a big red round nose when you go for this so called "playstyle"

I don't usually go for any kind of unwarranted sarcasm, and I gather that the OP is a player who hasn't played in a while and is not aware of the present "climate" in the game, and it is only normal that he/she should ask, but:

The fact that this thread hasn't gotten any response since yesterday and the one its got is full of irony is a testament to an ever growing sentiment among many people in the game community.

Many players have been putting up with this monstrosity for years now, and the latest melee dps patch, although it has been quite good overall and shows that the devs are constantly working to improve the game, imho not only hasn't remedied the situation but it has added to the outrageous stupidity of def regen WE godmode status.

Lately, just prior to the latest patch, in ingame chat and private conversations, I've been able to gauge the irrepressible hope of many people that WE would be back in its role of squishy but uber deadly dps instead of this tank-healer-stealth jail free abomination.

Alas, nothing has happened in that regard.

I think we are all happy that stealthers have better AoE options now, and that the voice of the community has been heard concerning, for example, WLs dominance (although maybe not satisfactorily for all parties involved, but that's another topic and I understand it is almost impossible to please everyone), etc.

All in all a great patch, and the devs have put a lot of work in it and I'm grateful. But this dark spot remains, like a black hole that saps a great deal of enthusiasm and motivation for a not negligible part of the community.
Disappointment is inevitable, I guess.

franqo wrote: Sun Dec 21, 2025 11:49 am Hi, Returning player here. Have decided to try out the def/regen playstyle. Would appreciate some help with what endgame gear i should go for and spec. thx alot

The "golden standart" for def/regen is 4def-sov(head,boots,trinket,back), grimshimmer chest, 2 fleshrender rings and 4 vic. Daggers from BB (1.5 and 1.6). You will not need crit at all, so for food you will use str 80/100 (depands on your finances) or lini:hunger. If you dont have gold for 2 fleshrenders - you can use 2 genesis with parry, or 1 parry/1 other for set bonus untill you can buy renders.
As for build, it will looks like this: RoR.builders - Witch Elf
You can switch atack speed tactic for "Kiss of Doom" if you want more sustain, or you can take ripost against WH. Before previous patch, ripost was good against slayers too, but now they have rampage reworked and atm this tactic good mostly against WHs.
You RR build will be something like this:
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;3;0;0;0;4
Or if you want to go like regen-regen then:
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/r ... ;0;0;0;3;2
I think that regen cost in renow is too high and its dont worth it, but its up to you ofc.

Oh and one more thing. You will also need a skill to ignore spineless whinners, who will always cry that you must play in builds that will be convenient for them to kill.
They usually dont have any problems with regen-WLs, who run in to horizen to restore hp and then back to show they unmatch duel skills. They dont have any problems with 2h KOTBs, who, after one of patchs, have like 100500 absorbs every 0000.1 sec. They also dont have problems with 2h SM, who litteraly stucking the same stats as WE, but have much more regen and parry. But they always will have problems with def/regen WE... Maybe its because they playing all this abominations and they dont like when someone can kill they precious builds? Who know... Anyway, just ignore such clowns and do what you want, cheers <3

Thx alot guys, really appreciate it

coldhunter wrote: Mon Dec 22, 2025 7:09 pm Oh and one more thing. You will also need a skill to ignore spineless whinners, who will always cry that you must play in builds that will be convenient for them to kill.
They usually dont have any problems with regen-WLs, who run in to horizen to restore hp and then back to show they unmatch duel skills. They dont have any problems with 2h KOTBs, who, after one of patchs, have like 100500 absorbs every 0000.1 sec. They also dont have problems with 2h SM, who litteraly stucking the same stats as WE, but have much more regen and parry. But they always will have problems with def/regen WE... Maybe its because they playing all this abominations and they dont like when someone can kill they precious builds? Who know... Anyway, just ignore such clowns and do what you want, cheers <3

Exactly <3

Panzer80 wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 1:30 am

coldhunter wrote: Mon Dec 22, 2025 7:09 pm Oh and one more thing. You will also need a skill to ignore spineless whinners, who will always cry that you must play in builds that will be convenient for them to kill.
They usually dont have any problems with regen-WLs, who run in to horizen to restore hp and then back to show they unmatch duel skills. They dont have any problems with 2h KOTBs, who, after one of patchs, have like 100500 absorbs every 0000.1 sec. They also dont have problems with 2h SM, who litteraly stucking the same stats as WE, but have much more regen and parry. But they always will have problems with def/regen WE... Maybe its because they playing all this abominations and they dont like when someone can kill they precious builds? Who know... Anyway, just ignore such clowns and do what you want, cheers <3

Exactly <3

Neither kotbs 2H nor SM 2H are stealth classes, or dps class, they are slow tank classes with limited escape tools(unlike the WE) and less DPS overall and offensive utility(Def WE 2x heal debuffs gg). So comparing them to justify the DEF WE shows a lack of understanding about fundamental balance mechanics( how surprising on this forum ). WE as a stealth class and DPS class should never had this tank-regen build available in the first place if balance was a priority in the small scale by the current dev balance team.

Yes, it is a balance abomination due to this( even though it can be defeated 1vs1 by mentioned classes etc doesn't justify their imbalanced overall utility).

Having said that, it's not the players fault so i wouldn't cry about anybody playing it, it's just a consequence of balancing neglect when it comes to the class.

The WE's vets i have spoken to in-game, would gladly give away this path of suffering/regen nonsense for a proper DPS update and improvement to their class and DPS abilities, sadly they didn't recieve this in the latest update.

P.S. FOTM players would never get this since their loyalty is not to a class but to whatever is the path of least resistance.

+1 for removal or rework on Regen

tank classes with limited escape tools(unlike the WE)

Next time, when KOTBs or SM will punt me in to the space and run away like Sonic - i will tell them, that they must stand and fight, because they dont have escape tools, hahaaha!

WE as a stealth class and DPS class should never had this tank-regen build

Because you say that? Well, you fantasies - is your own probems, buddy.

The WE's vets

Some mythical "WE vets" who just dreaming to get rid off this annoying witchbrew-build, yeah... Mb you will tell us they nicknames? No? How predictable...
I'm actually speak with one of those. Some vet-WE player, who was nostalgic about times, when WE have 2k+ dmg from AA... Hah, if they will bring such imbalanced thing back in game - witchbrew-builds will really go into history, lol. Hope you will be happy to die in 2-3 seconds from such "balanced" builds (at least they not tanky, so its fine, right?).

a proper DPS update

What is a "proper DPS update" by the way?

Farrul wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 2:46 am

Panzer80 wrote: Tue Dec 23, 2025 1:30 am

coldhunter wrote: Mon Dec 22, 2025 7:09 pm Oh and one more thing. You will also need a skill to ignore spineless whinners, who will always cry that you must play in builds that will be convenient for them to kill.
They usually dont have any problems with regen-WLs, who run in to horizen to restore hp and then back to show they unmatch duel skills. They dont have any problems with 2h KOTBs, who, after one of patchs, have like 100500 absorbs every 0000.1 sec. They also dont have problems with 2h SM, who litteraly stucking the same stats as WE, but have much more regen and parry. But they always will have problems with def/regen WE... Maybe its because they playing all this abominations and they dont like when someone can kill they precious builds? Who know... Anyway, just ignore such clowns and do what you want, cheers <3

Exactly <3

Neither kotbs 2H nor SM 2H are stealth classes, or dps class, they are slow tank classes with limited escape tools(unlike the WE) and less DPS overall and offensive utility(Def WE 2x heal debuffs gg). So comparing them to justify the DEF WE shows a lack of understanding about fundamental balance mechanics( how surprising on this forum ). WE as a stealth class and DPS class should never had this tank-regen build available in the first place if balance was a priority in the small scale by the current dev balance team.

Yes, it is a balance abomination due to this( even though it can be defeated 1vs1 by mentioned classes etc doesn't justify their imbalanced overall utility).

Having said that, it's not the players fault so i wouldn't cry about anybody playing it, it's just a consequence of balancing neglect when it comes to the class.

The WE's vets i have spoken to in-game, would gladly give away this path of suffering/regen nonsense for a proper DPS update and improvement to their class and DPS abilities, sadly they didn't recieve this in the latest update.

P.S. FOTM players would never get this since their loyalty is not to a class but to whatever is the path of least resistance.

You don't play enough classes or have any "vets" you talk to. You did DO exactly what the OP was criticizing, however.