Return of Reckoning

I played war before most people .. I was in the first round of beta way back when.. I have probably read a million or so complaints about how BW are so OP compared to sorc.. For being a mirror of each other there are a few differences between the two.. One of the major ones I have always noticed are the differences in the 13 PT "single target line " . Not only does the BW's 13 pt ability Fireball Barrage do an insane amount of single target dmg , the aoe it provides is not to shabby... The 13 PT sorc ability Shades of Death is well ... it;s clownshoes in comparison.

The other two are pretty close although the sorc may just edge out the BW in the AOE line. But no where near the difference as the single target lines... Anyway I was wondering how you all felt about replacing the 13pt sorc ability with a exact copy of the bw 13 pt ability.. You could test it on your test server and see if it helps to bring the sorc up to par with the BW..

In T2 the difference between them isent very noticeable . I know thought we are going to be moving into T3 soon ( I hope ) and its here where there power difference in the two will really start to show..

As always ty for all the time you all put into this and Ty for your consideration ..

papakoko wrote:I played war before most people .. I was in the first round of beta way back when.. I have probably read a million or so complaints about how BW are so OP compared to sorc.. For being a mirror of each other there are a few differences between the two.. One of the major ones I have always noticed are the differences in the 13 PT "single target line " . Not only does the BW's 13 pt ability Fireball Barrage do an insane amount of single target dmg , the aoe it provides is not to shabby... The 13 PT sorc ability Shades of Death is well ... it;s clownshoes in comparison.

The other two are pretty close although the sorc may just edge out the BW in the AOE line. But no where near the difference as the single target lines... Anyway I was wondering how you all felt about replacing the 13pt sorc ability with a exact copy of the bw 13 pt ability.. You could test it on your test server and see if it helps to bring the sorc up to par with the BW..

In T2 the difference between them isent very noticeable . I know thought we are going to be moving into T3 soon ( I hope ) and its here where there power difference in the two will really start to show..

As always ty for all the time you all put into this and Ty for your consideration ..

As someone who mains Sorc, I believe it's fine and a buff isn't called for at all.

Sorcs deal more damage and have less utility, that is true now and it should hold true throughout the game.

I don't get the BW hate, there is a reason there are many guilds on destro whose core 6 man is built around sorc(s), yet is there any order guilds that do the same for BW?

If I could change anything about sorc I would remove the GCD from obsessive focus to make it a skill on par with cauterize, and lower the CD of Absorb Vitality to ~15 seconds and change the damage type to spirit, again to make it more on par with stop drop and roll.

Still no mention of funnel power in this thread. Clearly a troll thread.

I used to love Fireball Barrage when I played Order. Though don't really remember it being a problem later in the game as much after the nerfs. It might also be because most BWs specced into stop drop and roll.

A buff?! Ha! If anything they should be nerfed, along with BWs. And no, I don't mean their single target damage.

no undefitable fireball complain, only me :/ ?

If sorcs are so bad, then why was Destro swimming in Dark Elf, Oestrogen-fueled, Pit of Shades puddles at Barak Varr keep last night?

After I died plugging the door, I didn't accept the res or click respawn, I just watched the Destro zerg run through the door: sorc, sorc, chosen, DoK, sorc, DoK, sorc, sorc, chosen, DoK, sorc, DoK, Mara, sorc, sorc, chosen, DoK, sorc, DoK and so on...

I'm gonna start counting the amount of Destro inspired nerf this-that-and-other posts from now on. If only I could get paid $0.01 for everyone, I'd be rich!

Jaycub wrote: If I could change anything about sorc I would remove the GCD from obsessive focus to make it a skill on par with cauterize

God bless America.
I never understood why vengeance of nagarythe is GCD-free and not obsessive focus. VoN is a 25% damage increase with no drawback at all, 30 seconds CD. OF is only a 10% increase, comes with a punishing drawback and is on a 1 minute CD.
I'm not sure it will put the spell on par with cauterize because they have different purposes. But making it useful seems a good idea to me. At the moment, obsessive focus is left unused in every sorc's spell book.

oh and also:
-fireball barrage - no mirror
-burn trough - no mirror except on shadow warrior
-funnel power - badly mirrored with shades of death
-Stop, drop and roll - again, no mirror, only for SW
-playing with fire - no healdebuff on sorc
-spreading flames - far better than black horror but I admit Ice spikes compensate.
-Wildfire - More aoe damage.
-embrace the flames - does this means BW is cross-mirrored with chosen?
-shield of aqshy - gives armor (BW is a melee class after all)

Both Sorc's and BW's aoe damage are out of control and should be tuned down. The only difference is that bright wizards have a slighly easier gameplay thanks to spreading flames, cauterize and shield when it comes to aoe.

Don't you agree that bw and sorc big aoe damage AND insane melee range burst damage makes them superior to every other RDPS classes? When it comes to bombing you MUST have a BW/sorc. Engineers, maguses , shadow warriors and squig herders cannot provide thee same level of 360 degree burst damage (thanks broken class mechanic). For me it's a case of "bring the class, not the player".
Maybe I am wrong and classes are much more balanced in 1.4.8 than how they were for 3-4 years, but I doubt it.